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The Joe Rogan Experience
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#2456 - Michael Jai White
2h 52m
2026/02/18
📝 AI
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🎼The Joe Rogan experience during my day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day.😊girls suit it up. You got a wild card boxing a hat on a Bruce Lee shirt. Come on. Hey, we got the the, the yellow and.Thing going on. Yeah, you got it all going on. What's happened. Great to see you. man, things are really well. This thing is a little loud. I it, there's a on that thing there, there's a little volume. Okay, noob, you can turn that suck down. There it is. Last time I saw you was at Terry Blacks barbecue. Yeah,, random run in. Yeah, That was crazy. That was crazy. Yeah, man, I was thinking about going there right after this. Im like, what, Terry Blacks, that place was no joke. that place rules. Yeah, man, are you still in L. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's it like.It's cool, man, I it, You like're the normal person that said that, no.Yeah, because okay, I defend L in a way where, first of all, if you got a handful of good people with you, you know, yeah your family, then is so the fact that L has all kinds of different things, you could be on a hiking trail in 20 minutes, you can be geographically. It's amazing. Yeah, and and the weather, you can' Oh you can't be. But so if you got good people, good friends with you. Yeah, then it's all good. You just run by crooks.It's a nice neighborhood run by the mob. It's run by the woke mob. But, I mean, geographically, you can't beat it. You could be at the ocean, and then you could be in the mountains in two hours. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so the that's, that's even if you don't partake, It's still cool. So amps up the the anti risk. Oh, yeah, like the spot itself is magical. It is a magical place to live. although I am deeply concerned that that motherfucker is gonna get hit.😊With a big one So. I was about time, right, Yeah, I was, I was reading this article about massive earthquakes in California and how often they're spread out and the possibility of one of them happening within the next decade. It's very high. Yeah, yeah, you know, I try not to think about that.I try not to think about it, too. yeah, yeah. But you know, now this, you can, I think they have better detection of that stuff now, too. It's better. it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. They can't detect. Do you remember what happened in Italy. A couple guys got arrested and went to jail. They were seismologists because the, the company, the country, rather, didn't understand the ability to detect it. They had a big earthquake and a bunch.Died. And so they blamed these geologists or seismologists. They wound up winning in court on appeal because eventually the science was revealed like, hey, there's no fucking way you can really tell. but they hung these guys out. They blamed these guys on not being able to detect it. man, Well, I mean, you just think about it. the last crazy ones was 72 and then 94. Yeah, I think it was 93. I came. I moved to L right after the last big one.I saw one of the sections of the highway that had collapsed on the other1. I remember driving by a going for this place. I was in the middle of that one. I just, I came into L. over. you were there. dude, I don't like to tell the story about what happened during that 94 earthquake. because, it sounds like bullshit, but literally, I got.I got up.Ran out of my house of my apartment at the time, jumped off the balcony.And watch it happen.You watched the house collapse. I watched the earthquake happen from outside. Oh, it's, it's,s like no bullshit. Everybody'. So I thought, oh, shit, I overreacted. I had a bad dream.I lived on the first floor of this apartment building.All I know is I wake up. I'm off balance, catching my balance in the parking lot, right, and like, oh, shoot, I got to find the guard to get me back in the in the apartment building, right, And I'm thinking, what, you know what what like, I've lost my mind or something. The next thing you know.Everything shakes.And the lights go out. just go just everything gets black.And so.I'm backing, I retreat back because I'm thinking the building is going to fall on me.And I'm like, wait a minute.Then I got the, the story from everybody else that.That experienced it. They said that the first thing that happened was the the building shook and the lights went out.Well, I was outside watching that.So I'm outside when it happened.Like some kind of what made you jump over the, I don't know feeling, dude, or did you have like the it was it the first rumbles, I thought, I thought it was, I thought I reacted to the like some kind of a aftershock or some kind of rumble. No, because the girl that was with me. you left her in the apartment..Doude.All she knows is, you jumped up and you ran out of you ran out of the house. and I heard the door slide. and that was, And then next thing, you know, everything shook she couldn't. she was trapped in there because there was a closet door that trapped trapped her in the hallway So when I got back in place, me and a friend had to try to pry the door open because she couldn't g...（已截断）
#2455 - Donnell Rawlings
2h 43m
2026/02/17
📝 AI
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🎼The Joe Rogan experience during my day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day.😊Red meat. is's unfortunate. That's just form.You know, like,, I know it's weird if I eat a burger.Is different if I eat a steak. Steak is a problem. Yeah, I don't know if my digestive system, just like you too olive of fucking is down. I'm 58. I'm 58,2. I eat mostly meat.I don't think it's age.What is it?Well, what are you eat it with?Teeos, we're rolling.Teeos,to vodka. there can't be that right,, I'm eating a steak I eat I, and I wash it down withto at tonic because its, it resembles H20. so sometimes I get thrown off until I do it. What Yeah, I think I'm better. Titos and tonic resembles water. look the look of it. It's clear. that's all matters to you. Yeah, I know, at some point, I need to change. I need to change my life. I' at the age now.It's like, I look at certain food. and I'm like, oh my God, it looks good. But you know, you can't handle that. I think this is when I really, really need to be in love.Because I need to be with somebody that understands when I go places. And when I want to pick out, they got like, he can't eat that. He's. Hes to up. He's gonna be thrown up. But I think handler, a female handler. they call it geriatric. like they, this is around here.This is what the screen say. Most men get to an age. It the Jerry actually shit. when you just smash all the women you want to do in earth. Now you're gonna have to worry about somebody helping with your pill diet, helping you with your dietary needs or everything. And they say that's a lot of times when men fall in love. when it needs somebody to take them to the golden ears. when it' when you about to be out of here. You need somebody to say don't do that, you got to match this food. You got to chop it up. But I'm having digestive issues sometimes with steak it's where me. I want to say.I'm a fan of it. So you eat, if you eat like a bowl pasta with the Titoos, no problem, that's not a problem, interesting.But he definitely read me. me. I'm to one of those doctors that checks people for allergies., yeah.I don't want one of them So down had to data agent. I mean, I had to data a Haitian chip.They interviewed really, really big Yeah. Oh yeah, they stab you with pillows they shit you when I have pain in your neck.Is there any particular reason, Joe, And I haven't been in a while. Is there any possible reason why I am doing your show during Black History Mon. No, you asked to come on.but you reached out to me. I reached out to me. I didn't. You could have reached out to me in July. I would have said, yes, I could't. You got an open invitation. You know that. I have an open invitation, But this is when I don't know. you, I say, can I come to you say this what you told, You say, I have a guess. And then you called back. I don't know if Jamie said, you know what month this is, right, I don't know if he. And you called me. I moved somebody, when moved somebody for you because I know you were coming here on a Monday. I had someone booked. Was it a Caucasian person, I don't know. I don't remember.I don't. You know, was a white man or black man. No, You know what. Did I get, Did I pepper white It might have been Michael Ja White, because he's here tomorrow. Yeah, so it was probably Michael, I just probably moved him a day, but I appreciate you being accommodating because I felt like it was tough for me to come back. I haven't been here. You can come on any time. I really push there on. No, I hold that to be true. Come on. I know that. You know, I love you. Yeah.😊I want some that gum, too, man. I'm the Ne gum. Do we have any, Jane, I have something, Yeah, that stuffs the shoot. I know,, whenever you say something is the shit's the shit. Yeah, well, what can I do about, I can't do anything about my diet.Right, oops, I hit the mic. Yeah, you can. You just.You know, you should go to a doctor and find out if there's like, there might be something particularly about you that red meat doesn't agree with you, but it might just be what you're eating with the red meat more than the red meat itself. You know, that's what I would imagine.I would imagine it's not actually red meat, I would imagine it's what you're eating with it.M be.And I'm going to check into it.Because as they say in the street.I'm of that big age when you have to be considerate of a whole bunch of things. So that's what I have to do. I have to do that. Do you exercise at all. A little bit usually doing sexual intercourses when I get my my cardio. get your push up. Yeah, not is strong.Damn, man, you have get. I don't know if this plot everybody. You get to an age where you start looking at your history and you like, damn,2000 is my best years. Like right now, I'll just give up, give up.I don't put no pressure. I give up. I start asking, like, what' your shoe sizes, or whatever I'd rather go shopping than to really try to pound somebody out for three hours. I met that age now, where I have.I call it.Certain times, l...（已截断）
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【马年春节档】“从夯到拉”全点评
1h 6m
2026/02/18
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大家好，我是肖文杰，我是小亚。这期节目呢我们斗胆来聊一个有些高不可攀的生意啊，就是艺术品交易。想到这个选题呢，是因为本期节目播出的这一周的周末，就是11月7日到10日，在上海举办的西岸艺博会就要开幕了。那有艺术圈的朋友呢正好有票就来问我要不要接受一下艺术的熏陶。这两年上海的各类艺术展览还是挺活跃的。可惜最近实在是太忙了，想熏陶一下自己都没有时间。我也是。这个艺术细菌其实比较匮乏，但这周末估计也没时间去。但他来问的嘛，我就随口问了一句，说这个艺博会到底是个什么活动。他说呢主要就是一个促成艺术品交易的平台，就是把各种画廊聚集在一起。然后请藏家来看一看，聊一聊，买一买。说实话这个回答解答了我一部分的疑惑，但是让我产生了更多疑惑，或者说引发了我一些长久以来的好奇。比如说啊这些名词我就一直搞不清楚到底有什么区别。就是艺术博。览会还有画展啊、艺术展，他们到底是一回事情呢？还是不一样的。又比如这个画廊到底是一个什么样的存在，在整个世界里面到底是怎样的一个角色，他们和拍卖行又是什么样的区别和关系，归根结底啊，就是艺术品到底是怎么交易，怎么流通的？那些动辄成百上千万乃至上亿美元的天价艺术品到底是如何产生的，感觉肖老师一个困惑带出来很大一片啊，这话题就变得很庞大了。我们查了一下瑞银的数据，2023年全球公开的艺。艺术品交易其实是一个超过600亿美元的庞大市场。但是就像前面说的，构成这个市场的角色和商业逻辑却显得隐隐绰绰，可谓是一个庞大而隐秘的市场。虽然这个说法呢有点唬人，但是通过这次请教朋友。再加上看了一些书和资料之后，我发现的确啊就信息不透明，是艺术品交易的一个最大的特点，甚至是这个行业的某种根基，当然即便如此啊，也并不是说我们这些外人就无法理解艺术品的交易，他还是遵从着一些基本。😊的商业逻辑的。🎼所以这期节目呢我们就基于公开的资料，以艺术博览会作为一个引线，对整个艺术品的市场做一个简单的科普和探索。首先我们会从大背景开始看一下艺术到底是怎么变成一个市场的那它这个市场里面的核心角色又有哪些。接着呢我们会在这个基础上再来看一看艺术博览会为什么会在最近几十年迅速崛起，以及它本身是一门怎样的生意。😊这里是商业，就是这样。那在描述艺术品市场之前呢，感觉先要解决一个问题，就是艺术品是怎么变成商品的。现在我们对买卖艺幅绘画感觉很正常啊，但如果回溯历史的话，艺术品其实在历史的大多数时间里都属于是不可买卖的东西，它是属于极少数的特权阶层的这些阶层呢就包括像王室啊、宗教机构啊、贵族等等的。当时的艺术品也主要是为了表达一些政治或者宗教的一种工具。那艺术家呢则是受到这些阶层赞助而生存的人们，直到文艺附。今之后，在欧洲这个市民阶层，商人群体开始兴起了，艺术家才开始从贵族和宗教机构当中独立出来。艺术品呢也才作为一种商品开始流通起来。他到了17世纪呢，艺术品的收藏拍卖才逐渐的成型了。没有想到今天一上来今然是西方艺术史小课堂呢？都是一些非常基础粗浅的知识啊，为什么要从历史开始Q起呢，其实主要是想说啊，就一个产品它只有有了供给和需求，或者这个供给需求足够大了，他才可能成为一个商品。可能成为一个市场，这是艺术品当时诞生时候的情况。而到了当代的艺术品，真正成为一个全球的大市场，其实也是基于同样的逻辑。所以说是在现代艺术品市场有了一个快速爆发的过程。没错，我们现在看到的艺术品交易呢，实际上是在最近的三四十年迅速的爆发起来的，并且这个爆发速度在21世纪还在加速啊。我们看到21世纪的前十年，整个艺术品公开交易的规模就已经增长了5倍。在这个里边呢，最重要的变量有两个。第一个叫做。当代艺术。第二个叫做HNWI什么东西啊？我们先说第一个当代艺术啊，它解决的呢其实就是市场的供给问题。过去艺术品的交易实际上集中在中国以前的一些作品，这些作品呢流传一世的数量是相当有限的。那处于可流通状态的呢就更少。因为大量的作品都已经被收藏了，或者说是固定在博物馆或者美术馆这些公共机构里边了。那如果藏家们他只青睐这类作品的话，那这个市场的供给理论上只会越来越。少也就难以吸引更多的藏家进入了。很可以理解，你都没有东西可以收藏了，我都进不去这个圈子的呀。对，那这个变化呢就产生于1980年代。在那个时候，现代艺术乃至当代艺术开始越来越受到藏家的追捧。一个标志性的事件呢是在1987年。那一年，毕加索的一幅在1889年创作的作品就是向日葵。他以2200万英镑的价格，成为了历史上当时历史上啊价格最高的。公开拍卖的艺术品。而在此之前呢，这个记录的保持者是画家曼特尼亚的三王崇拜。而这幅作品啊是1个15世纪的油画。那出发这个变化的原因呢，一会儿我们就会讲到。但在现代艺术之后呢，当代艺术就是20世纪乃至21世纪的作品也开始受到了追捧，被认为是有收藏价值的艺术品了。那直到现在啊，当代艺术已经完全占据了艺术品交易的主流。但从商业的角度来看，这个收藏对象从古代到当代的这个转移，就使得。这个市场的供给啊大大的增加了，有点这感觉吧，就是相当于过去的这个艺术品市场是一个金本位模式。那现在这个印钞机就是随时可以开动起来的。我感觉过去都不是金本位了，而是某种什么更稀有的贵金属。因为这个当代的艺术家它是源源不断可以创作的嘛，会不断涌现出来的，创作一个我卖一个对，那这是第一个变量，解决的是供给的问题。第二个变量就是HNWI解决的呢就是需求的问题。这个缩写纲有老说什么鬼案，它属于典型的故弄选失。他的中文翻译大家应该比较熟悉啊，就是高净值个人，就是high net individual，就是在职白点就是富人群体。那我们根据瑞盈的口径啊，这个人群指的是个人或者家庭可支配的投资净资产能够超过100万美元的这群人。那他们的人数，还有他们拥有的财富规模，以及最主要的就是分布的范围，在过去一段时间出现了巨大的变化。这是深刻的改变了艺术品的交易。我们就看最近的数据啊，就是2023年全。求百万美元富翁的这个财富总额已经是2010年的3倍，而人数呢则是2010年的2倍。一个更大的趋势呢就是除欧美以外的富人越来越多了。你像亚洲啊、拉美啊，中东都出现了大量新的实力雄厚的藏家，像我们刚才讲的这个1987年的毕加索那幅创拍卖记录的那个作品，他的买家就是一个日本的公司。1987年啊，当时正是日本泡沫经济的鼎盛时期，就是他全球购的最后一个阶段了。那现代艺术和印象派。摆在艺术市场的热潮，其实很大程度上就是由这一批买家推动的对的，那在日本之后呢，中国是另一个崛起的市场。另一个标志性的事件就是2011年，中国成为了当年最大的艺术品拍卖市场。虽然啊这个数字的统计口径有许多值得商榷的部分。但这个趋势是非常明显的。因为你有可能在90年代之前，中国都没有参与到这个艺术品的收藏和拍卖当中。那到了现在呢，我们还是看瑞银的统计，就是2024年全球高净值人群的分布是这个财富的分布啊，不是人群的。分布美国是40%，绝对的第一。那中国呢是12%，印度是7%，欧洲各国家在一起呢是24%，但是单独的美国家都没有超过中国。不过去我们经常说啊，一个新客群出现是让整个市场的蛋糕迅速做大的过程。那我觉得这么来形容艺术品市场的爆发呢？都不够贴切，它更像是在原有的一个蛋糕之外呢，不断又出现了好几个新的大蛋糕。为什么说这些高级级人群是大蛋糕呢？因为他们是艺术品收藏投资的核心。人群一方面的艺术品收藏是他们常见的一种审美追求，它同时也是彰显自己身份品味的象征。而且随着着这个艺术品的价值不断的飙升啊，它也成为了全球资产配置和投资的一环。这也就决定了流向艺术品的钱会越来越多，而且从各种方向也流向进去。那我们前面讲过了新增的供给。这边又讲了新增的需求。这两者结合在一起，就打破了原来艺术品收藏极其封闭的小圈子，使得整个交易流通的过程充满了信息增量。😊🎼也就越来越需要各种专业的细分的角色参与进来。说的直白点就是需要各种打引号的中间商。OK那我们接下来就来看看现在的艺术品交易到底是会经过一个怎样的流通过程。简单而言呢，我们可以粗略的把艺术品交易类比为股权投资，它同样可以分为一级市场和二级市场。所谓的一级市场呢就是一个艺术家，他创作了作品。那他这时候就是类似于一个创业公司吧。那这时候就会出现一个关键的角色，就是画廊。那画廊呢会和艺术家谈说能不能由我来代理你创作的作品。比如说放到我的画廊来展览，然后我也会努力提升你的作品的评价，把你放到更大的更受关注的一些展上面去。并且。让我的客户来推荐你。那如果有人向你买下一幅作品的话呢，画廊就会从中抽取一笔佣金。嗯，所以说画廊就有点像股权投资过程当中的那个财务顾问。对他其实是负责寻找投资者来促成交易，然后从这个交易当中赚钱的。或者呢有一个也比较贴切的类别，就是他类似于艺人和经纪人的关系，就我帮你去一个更大的舞台。那从中我肯定也能获益。但因为这个交易的卖方是艺术家本人，就是这个作品的创作者，也是因为这个作品是第一次流入到市场。行里边，所以说这个叫做一级市场。很重要的一点就是目前全球艺术品交易的主流方式就是一级市场的交易。根据瑞银的报告，在2023年他所调研的这些藏家，他们有91%都通过过画廊来购买艺术品，这是第一大渠道。第二名呢才是拍卖。第三名呢是艺博会。那这是一级市场。所谓的二级市场呢就会涉及到大家比较熟悉的拍卖行。在拍卖行拍卖的作品呢，一般而言，他的卖家都不会是艺术家本人，而是藏家嘛。那。卖行帮他这个作品卖出更高的价格，嗯，感觉就有点像IPO了，就是或者说此前的股东把股票放在一个公开市场上，然后就把这个股票卖出去来套现。其实拍卖嘛天然肯定是二手交易是吧？这是一个高雅的二手交易。OK那像佳士德苏肤比这两大拍卖行，他们最早其实做的都是古董书或者是一些真版书、出版书的一些拍卖之后呢，就涉足到一些古玩啊、珠宝啊、奢侈品等等的那随着当代艺术的崛起呢，拍卖行业也深刻的介入。其中，并且在这个市场当中越来越重要。可以想象吧，你在一个不断增长的市场里面，这个二级市场的估值是会越翻越高的。而更高的价格不仅意味着更高的佣金，也意味着更大的受关注程度。同时，对于新兴市场的买家来说呢，这几个大的拍卖行，它的公信力也更足。并且在全球的分支机构有更全。同时它又是公开拍卖的，也更加便于他们这些新玩家能够进入这个收藏的领域。但是关于二级市场呢有几个点需要说明。第一就是拍卖行。未必都是公开做拍卖的。有时候他也会像画廊一样，就是直接帮你找一些确定的下家来直接完成交易。呃，有的时候呢公开拍卖和私下指定卖家还可以做一些结合。呃，就说拍卖好像会采用一种担保模式，就是先找到一个下家谈索一个收购价，然后再去做拍卖。然后如果这个拍卖的价格呢高于此前，我们谈好这个价格。那么超出这个溢价部分就跟原本的下家再做一个分成。嗯，如果没有超过的话，那就这个卖家就用原来定好价格就买掉了。那我们看到的时候发现呢这个担保模式，际上。经是进化改进或得结果了啊。此前的拍卖行流行的是更加直白的一种担保模式，就是你的藏品在我这边拍卖，不管结果如何，我都保证给你一笔钱。如果没有拍出这个价，甚至流拍的话，就拍卖行自己来补上这个窟窿，就是券商报销。对对对，但这种担保制度实际上很大程度上加速了艺术品的价格的飙升。因为拍卖行他就会定一个比较高的底价嘛。那之后再定更高的底价，那是这个价格很容易往上翻。但是也显而易见，这种方式对于拍卖行老是说他的。资金的风险是很大的。如果市场一下子遇冷，它的这个现金流就马上就吃紧了。所以在金融危机之后，更多的拍卖行就会采用我们前面说那种风险更小或者风险共担的一种担保模式。那这个呢就是我们要这个提醒的第一个点。另外需要说明的第二个点呢，就是并非只有拍卖行做二级市场的交易，就是画廊。我们前面讲的画廊啊，他也会做二级市场交易，他也会从别的厂家在那边来购作品的。当然总体而言，画廊不是一个单纯的中间商。他更像是经纪公司和孵化器，所他不单只追求更高的价格或者更高的佣金。他还是希望自己其他的艺术家呢能够提升这个评价的。所以他会很忌讳啊，就是我的这个艺术家的作品卖给那些投机者，就是刚刚把这个作品买进来。然后马上转手就往二级市场上面去卖的。因为这样的话就会使得这个作品的价格难以的管控。然后这个作品的这个风评啊就不太好控制。所以他们会精挑细选一些藏家，这些藏家也能...（已截断）
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亲历春晚拍摄：现场的真实，和电视上的光鲜一样吗？｜对话艾萨克
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🎼 Yeah.🎼Yeah.hello hello,大家新年好呀，欢迎来到十万瞬间。这是一档更关注镜头背后的人的摄影播客，我是走走。那在今天的节目之前呢，先给大家拜个年了，新年快乐。不知道你看了今年的春晚吗？今天我请来了一位参与过春晚拍摄的朋友艾萨克来给你说说里彪的门道。不过呢他的本职工作不仅是摄影师，他还是调色师、剪辑师，更是大家耳熟能详的宜家炼雨声空。😊🎼等等很多品牌的广告片导演。那让我最意外的呢，就在于他竟然还不是科班出身，只是全凭热爱就完成了转行。所以我就很好奇他的故事了。那接下来就请艾萨克来跟大家打个招呼。hello hello,大家好，我是艾艾萨克。我接触拍摄视频是从大学开始。当时在在英国读书，读的是环境，在大一还是大二的时候，有一门课程呢是要去英国的周围，比如说废弃的发电厂要去拍一些影像资料，买了一台，就是能够拍视频的相机，就觉得挺好玩的。尤其自己琢磨在youtube上面自学。就从那。当时是叫什么im movie开始再到final cut这么一点点来，因为我也比较多的跟国外的朋友一起，慢慢的就是就同学有朋友是youtuubber，就把我们介绍跟着去帮忙拍，又会进入他们的那些策划的前期，从中就就学到了一点东西。当时我都不知道这叫脚本，我们叫什么shooting list，会有个checkbox什么就go 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133.与我的保险经纪人年终对谈：这一年，我们的保单与生活都变了
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2026/02/19
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嗯ん。🎼欢迎收听青刀快马。在这里，我们关心与年轻人有关的一切。🎼更关心那些具体的人以及具体的生活。各位好，欢迎大家收听新一期的青刀快马。🎼这是我们农历马年的第一期节目啊，首先还是祝大家新春快乐，祝大家新的一年里轻刀快马。本期节目的嘉宾是我的好朋友，也是盲人摸象第32期的嘉宾。也是我的保险经纪人啊，小于。所以呢呃这期节目首先它是一期老友聊天局啊，我们在一起聊了各自过去一年呃，也就是2025年的这个经历啊。25年呢对于我跟小鱼其实都还是挺。挺特别的一年呢，因为25年都是我们从这个呃大厂打工人到自由职业者，我们转换了这个职业赛道之后的第一个呃完整的财年啊，所以呃我们两个人在工作的状态上呃生活的节奏上，其实都有很多的变化。然后包括呃收入水平对吗？然后我们的对待工作，对待生活的这种心态上面都有很多的变化，所以对我们来说。说呢首先呃是两个自由职业者，我们交流一下各自过去一年的这个感受。然后其次这也是一期呃年终总结局。呃，总结什么呢？我是在25年年初的时候完成了自己在健康保障方面的这个保险配置啊，当然是跟小鱼一起啊，他帮我做了很多方案，然后呃很专业的咨询意见到25年底呃，一年过去了，25年底、26年初一年过去了。呃要续费了。然后我也会有一些新的需求。呃以这次呢呃我也是借这个机会，就抛了很多问题给到小鱼吧，比如。说呃我买的这个重疾险呃，到现在这个时间点回过头去看呃值不值啊。然后呃很多保险到26年初都要续保了。然后这个续保的过程当中，呃，有一些什么样的注意事项啊？然后再比如说呃过去一段时间，香港保险的风很大啊，港险的风很大，那港险适不适合我呢？什么情况下，我们应该去优先考虑港险。😊呃，再比如说父母的年纪也越来越大了，然后马上进入退休生活了。那么对父母来说，我们做子女的是不是也可以给父母配置一些什么样的保险产品呃，等等等等吧。呃，这一期我们聊了很多话题啊，所以他会有很老友聊天局的一面，然后也会有我的这个很个人的啊保险保单的年终总结的一面。然后你会发现呢这期节目里的我的状态啊跟平时不太一样。会会更松弛一点，准确的说会松弛的多。因为我跟小鱼我们确实认识很多年了啊，所以这期放在春节听，我觉得也挺合适的，他是个挺挺松弛的这样子的一个聊天，以及呢我相信呃勤涛快马的很多听友，其实跟我可能是年纪相仿，或者是呃工作了几年，有了一些积蓄，在考虑给自己给家人呃，配置保险的事情。那我觉得可以听听。😊这期节目这期节目呃没有任何广告，我们没有接任何商务的这个邀约，然后也没有打算给任何一个保司，任何一个保险产品打广告，以及呢平时大家可能听呃比如说听播客，你也会听到很多的播客节目聊这种呃保险配置理念啊，或者介绍一些很高端的保险产品。呃，这个呢你在很多台都可以听到，对吗？这个不稀奇。但是呃。我们的这个聊天可能会不太一样。因为我就是从一个纯粹的消费者的角度，然后从一个普通人的角度跟我身边这个做保险经纪人的和我关系很好的朋友，我们一起来聊天。所以我想这期除了专业的部分，可能我们的聊天还是还是挺有人味的啊。在这个年头我觉得。呃，有人味有活人感，这是很难得的一件事儿。然后基本上这期节目大概就是这个样子。然后我稍微啰嗦一句，呃，我们这期节目的录制时间是2025年的年底啊，所以其实是两个多月之前录的。呃，阴差阳错拖到了现在才发。然后我想了想吧，反正春节嘛，大家也都也都不忙，啊，很适合考虑一下给自己给家人的保障。所以春节发也挺好。但是呢呃你听这一期节目的时候，你听到比如说呃今年如何，去年如何，明年如何的时候，你可能就会有一点时间错乱。所以呃统一跟大家说一下，我们在这期节目里面，当我们说到今年的时候，我们指的是2025年，因为我们是25年的年底录的。然后我们说到去年的时候说的是24年，那么明年。🎼说的就是26年好吧，呃，除了这个之外，整个的聊天我觉得都非常的非常的轻松啊。我还是那句话，我觉得他是一个非常适合春节这期间呃去听的一期节目，然后也希望大家会喜欢这期节目，好吧，我们就铺垫这么多，然后我们就进入正片。😊ま、最終的た。🎼まさ。来吧，我们开始打板开始开始我们俩是什么时候？我们上一次录那个节目是就是是5月份5月份5月份5月份，然后我们录完什么时候上6月份对，但是你隔了好久啊，隔了好久上的。对对对对对，所以25年怎么样？25年听忙碌的，挺开心的。你什么时候辞职的来着，去年年底去年12月20多号。那所以这就算你就是第一个完整的年份，就是作为保险经纪人嘛？对。😊对，因为我今年也是这今年也是我第一个完整的年份，就是一天班都没有上过的，就是一直都是自负盈亏，自己养自己的这样的一个自由职业者的状态。可能在之前，比如说我23年我也辞职了，但是后面我就去上班了嘛，然后24年也是一样的，我可能先上了一段时间的班，然后后面又呃裸辞自己干。所以我25年也是就第一个完整的财年。😀ははははは。好的，这个词我问问你啊，你你你不用告诉我具体的数字啊，所以这个25年虽然还有呃将近一个多月的时间吧，但你你大概也可以估算出来这一年的营收状况嘛，跟你还在大厂工作的时候相比，收入多了还是少了。嗯，其实我觉得跟我大厂的收入是持平的哦，那很好。因为我在大厂的收入呃，做HR这个工种应该也没有特别少。对对对对，就是呃其实低于我去年的。因为我去年其实有在主业跟副业一起做啊，然后但是我觉得跟我在大厂的纯收入应该是持平的差不多差不多。对，但你拥有了自由和快乐。就是我觉得其实少了很多的烦心事。啊，是的，对，在大厂工作主要是烦就是。就是有很多这种乱七八糟的屁事儿，就是真的就是乱七八糟的事情。哎，我问你啊，呃，因为实际上我自己作为自由职业者，我我也嗯这一年我也有很多万千感触吧。其中很重要的一个点是说我可能原来确实觉得。😊呃，做一个自由职业者，你时间上面安排就可以非常自由嘛。理论上来讲，你可以在任何一个地方办公，然后你随时都可以啊去旅行或者去见朋友或者怎么样。但实际上好像等我自己真的呃进入了这个身份这个状态之后，我又发现。哎呀，我好像还是做不到啊，就是嗯我懂我我觉得其实我也是就是这个状态。嗯，对我应该说在9月1号之前这一年，除了我生日那天和我妈生日那天，我每天都在工作。对，而且我是特别强烈的一个感受，就是我自从成为一个自由职业者之后，我没有了上班跟下班非常明确的那个是是是区分，尤其我也没办公室，对吗？现在呃，所以我我明年真的。😊我先把flag立在这里，我一定要租一个办公室，就不是为了不是。不是为了证明什么，不是说我怎么上规模了，怎么样，真的就是为了有一个上班跟下班的概念。我觉得这个还是很重要的对我觉得我在家的产出非常低，所以我几乎每一天都会出门啊，而且其实我在北京也算是有嗯比较喜欢一起工作的同事。然后我现在有自己的小团队嘛。嗯所以我也会经常组织大家一起联合办公。嗯，确实我觉得人可能还是。人可能还是得有同事，尤其是我还是1个ENFP。😊呃，我觉得我已经是就是我的工作内容，包括我的生活方式，其实挺不依赖呃跟同事啊，或者是说一定要跟人合作。我很多东西是可以纯粹靠自己完成的。但是。确实我觉得这一年实践下来，就让我觉得哪怕是自由职业者能够经常见到一些志同道合的人，或者大家在做着相似事情的人，这个还是很重要的。不然真的实在是太孤独了，每天在家。对对，就是我觉得我当时加入这个团队，也是觉得我这个团队的伙伴都非常的就是三观一致吧，然后也比较出得来。虽然其实我们在工作中呃需要协同的部分非常非常少，我们基本上每个人还是独立的在做自己的工作。但是我觉得一起相处还是很开心的。包括这次来上海，也是我跟我一个同事一起来的。OK好，那个今天当然我们正题还是聊保险啊，今天呃算是一个到年底了嘛，对吗？就是我也想找你啊，review一下，我过去一年我的保单也好啊，然后包括我接下来一年啊，给自己给家人有一些什么样的投保建议。所以我觉得呃因为之前咱们就说好了在。😊录一期节目嘛，然后就觉得这个主题和内容就特别特别好，因为它特别具体且真实。嗯，所以我们今天主题呢是聊这个，但是我我觉得进入主题之前，我还是特别想跟你聊一聊你的进况。好的好的，对吗？因为我们不仅仅是客户跟保险经纪人之间的关系，我们也是好朋友嘛。嗯，然后现在又到年底了。所以你说说吧，这个25年有什么。嗯，咱们聊两个预热的话题啊，一个我特别想听你聊聊25年。因为我知道你去了好多地方，然后不管是全球移动工位到处呃办公也好，还是去旅行也好。你25年，你觉得有什么印象特别深刻的？除了北京之外的地方吗？嗯，我25年去了云南，春天去了云南，然后秋天去了广西，北海和南宁，然后中间就是上海来过，然后广。广州、深圳、香港就这些，我觉得那个去云南和去北海都还挺开心的。嗯，你跟你跟你妈一块去的。对对对，嗯，因为我妈已经退休了，真不错，就是云南让我很惊艳的是沙溪就是拍那个有趣有风的地方的那个在哪儿大理吗？在大理的西北北偏西一点，它是一个古镇。对，就是我觉得它是很很完整的保留了那个古镇的风貌的。嗯，对，就是我其实。去这次也是我第一次去大理，虽然我之前去过也去过昆明。嗯哼，这次是我第一次去大理，但大理跟我想象中完全不一样。大理其实是一个城市。嗯，然后你想象中的大理是类似于像七宝古镇那种或者是什么同里或者什么乌镇那种那种尺尺寸的那种规模的一个地方。对对，然后结果我这次来了之后，哦，我这次去了之后，我才发现哦，大理是一个城市。然后那个所谓的那个大理古镇，只是他。😀很小的一个像景区一样的地方。是的，但我觉得那个沙溪它就是我想象中的大理。OK嗯，而且我觉得在沙西的人整个都非常的松弛。嗯，就那边的呃咖啡厅都是11点甚至一点才开门，然后大家也早早打烊哦，然后整你待了多久？这次去就是去云南去大连一周一周。嗯那听起来你这一周就非常的就安排的非常非常松弛。😊嗯，我基本上属于上午和晚上睡前会办公一会儿，嗯，中午到晚饭的时间在外面玩。嗯，哎这个就非常典型，这个真不错，这就是一个非常典型的自由职业者能够安排出来的一个出行的状态。对，而且我在大理的时候，每天都是面朝着洱海在办公。然后我们在沙西族的那个民宿，然后他那个民宿里面全都是花，嗯，然后还有很可爱的猫咪。嗯就是。像监工一样监督着我办公，真不错真不错真不错。啊，然后然后我再补充一下，就是我上个月不是去了广西北海嘛，嗯然后我觉得也是非常松弛的那种感觉，尤其是最让我羡慕的是，我觉得他的那个建成面积很小，就是我在从他的最东南银滩，然后到嗯最西北金滩，就是嗯可能就打车就20分钟。然后我这种平常在北京的人就觉得20分钟还没有出家门的感觉我。😊好羡慕，真的真的，我觉得可能其他城市的人没有办法理解什么叫做20分钟是很近的距离。但对于北京的朋友们来说，真的20分钟真的很近。北京太大了，北京到哪儿就随随便便起步一个半小时，真是让人受不了。是，所以这个是为什么平时我也不怎么去公司，因为我们也不需要打卡嘛。然后平时可能就是嗯和这个同事啊或者朋友，然后取一个中间点，然后去找一个漂亮咖啡厅办公。嗯。真的听听完你讲这两个，我觉得做自由职业者还是挺好的。因为我觉得。可能呃哪怕是去同样的一个地方，你自己的状态跟心境还是还是很重要的，还是会在很大程度上就是起决定性因素，决定了说你在这个地方感受到的是无聊还是松弛。因为很有可能他就是一体两面的事情。啊，对，比如说我来上海就没有松弛。但是很开心。对，在上海是每天很兴奋，每每天很亢奋，但是身体其实非常疲惫。因为每天都见不止一个好朋友啊，老同学啊。嗯对，但是就是在那个。😊云南和广西就确实是非常的松弛，挺好的挺好的。好，我再问一个问题啊。就是这个问题，我最近问了好多人嗯，我的各种各样的朋友叫做你觉得你今年花的最值得一笔钱是我哎我给你我给你补充一下这个故事的背景，我是一个不太喜欢买东西的人，知道吧？就是我没什么物质欲望。然后我呢可能很多钱啊，我都花在一些嗯这种体验型的消费上面了，出去玩啊，或者吃了个什么东西啊，或者看。什么演出啊什么这种。然后呢，但是到今年我就特别喜欢问这个问题，问我身边各种各样的朋友。然后我得到了很多，其实挺有意思的回答。就是因为我发现他变成了一个很好的去了解我朋友的这样的一个小切口。比如我举两个例子啊，比如说我有一个朋友就跟我说，他今年给他父母买了一个呃特别全的一个深度的一个体检套餐啊，他觉得那个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Modern Wisdom
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#1061 - Oliver Burkeman - Why You Can’t Stop Your Productivity Addiction
1h 32m
2026/02/19
📝 AI
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Is it possible to be the best in the world and relaxed at the same time.The best in the world. I don't know. I what I do think.Is that it is very possible to be really, really good at what you do and relaxed. And actually, my experience is that the more relaxed I can be.Better I am but things. I'm not going to claim to be the best in the world or anything. But I think that notion that you've either got to choose a relaxing life or an accomplished one.😊This is.This is the thing I'm on a mission, very personally motivated mission to prove is not how it works.😊I think there's a tension between.Having high standards, which is hyper vigilance and obsession and focus and really paying attention to stuff. And that just tends to bleed into the personality and the ambient anxiety. And I can see, for instance, if you were to say.Is it possible to be the best in the world and never relax at the same time. That question would seem pretty obvious to answer. Yes, of course, because the exact same level of resolution that you're obsessing over your pursuit with is the thing that kind of destroys the rest of your life. The interesting question is to work out whether you can kind of be on and off, or if you can hold things a little bit more loosely whilst still getting the right level of output you on.Yeah, it's really interesting. I think that.There's, there's something. I mean, this runs through a lot of what I try to write about. But there's something about wanting to feel in control of the process of getting.Better at things or being good at things, which is kind of completely different from the actual process of getting better at them or or being good at them. So I think there's, you know, this is on some level, just the banal observation that people who really excel in what they do are very often or perhaps more often in a flow state while they're doing it, they're kind of.They sort of let go into the action. They're not sort of sitting back inside their minds, controlling it all in a very.So of。Conscious, control, controllingly way, so.Yeah, for me, and of course, I'm talking about things like writing or speak. I mean, I'm not talking about, I I may work differently and to different degrees for kind of sports performance and things. but you find that.The more I'm trying to make sure that things go well, that that's just like a And therefore, I'm sort of unrelaxed and clenched and.Muscles, tents and everything. that the more you sort of pop into this awful self conscious space where nothing, nothing works. And it's much better to lose yourself in the activity than to be trying to control it. I think a lot of people are struggling to find a healthy way to pursue goals without tying their self worth to the outcome.嗯。😊That is one of the one of the fundamental problems, like if I.The only way that I can get myself to pursue a goal is if I care about it.And in the act of caring about it, I'm going to be disappointed if I don't reach it. And in the act of the disappointment is some sort of value judgment about me and my worth and whether or not I, so how do you healthily pursue goals without tying yourself worth to the outcome, given that the only sort of goals you do pursue are ones you care about and in the caring the disappointment and in the disappointment.The self worth.So, I mean, I the.There's a sort of ideal way of doing this, which I don't claim to have you know, totally pulled off or anything but.I think the distinction is when you say care about.There's a way of caring about goals that basically defines yourself as inadequate and insufficient until you've met them.😡And there are other ways of caring about goals. So there's a concept in psychology, the concept of the insecure overachiever, which whenever I kind of mention it in.Public audience context on that of like like half the people in the room, just the the look of recognition that passes over their face is amazing, right, So people who do really well in life and they're driven and they're probably applauded and celebrated by their friends or by society at large, for doing loads of impressive stuff. But on some level.😊And I was like this for years, that doing it.To try to.Fix something about themselves or to try to feel okay and to try to sort of.Fill a void.So loads and loads of really successful people in the world being ultimately a sort of.😊Feeling like they've absolutely got to succeed. otherwise, on some level, they don't really deserve to.Exist or something.And that sort of that puts you in a perpetual place where everything you're doing for in terms of goal pursuit is.Is is.To try to make yourself feel sort of less bad about yourself. And, and it puts you in this really awful situation as well, which I definitely used to experience a lot where anything you achieve in the world, which you might think you could then feel like proud and happy about, just instantly becomes the minimum standard that you've got to meet next time.嗯。😊Which is very depressing...（已截断）
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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The Greatest Climber Alive: I Shouldn't Have Attempted That Climb!
1h 37m
2026/02/19
📝 AI
总结
🎼That drives me crazy that nobody else thinks about risk in this way. People look at my life and they're like, well, you're crazy. You're such a risk taker. Well, at least I'm taking the risks that I'm choosing. because think of all the people that like go out partying every weekend and they get buzzed and they drive home and even sedentary people who are like, well I don't take risk. I stay home and I play video games. No, you're at a much higher risk of heart disease. Like they're taking all kinds of risk that they're not actually choosing to take. And you're still gonna freaking die either way. So you might as well take smart calculated risks and do all the things that you want to do and at least die happy when you go. He's done it.Alice Hoold has made history again, scaling one of the world's tallest skyscrapers. But the conclusion that a lot of people have arrived at is that you don't experience fear, because when they look at these two brain scans, your amygdala is lighting up less when you're shown scary images. I actually hate all the brain stuff because people is put me in this box. I like, well, you're different. And I'm like, well not really like, I'm a middle class suburban kid. Nobody in my family is athletic. just after 20 years of planet five days a week being really freaking scared. I respond differently than an average person. Then there is tons of emotional turmoil throughout it periods and we're just, I'm trying so hard.😊🎼AndI'm just like not as good as I want to be. You know, I was like living in a car. I had like a couple hundred bucks of month for 10 years. Like, that's challenging. But you just can't master your craft overnight. I guess that's what people don't see. And so how did you create the conditions to out persist other people. And then in all your career. When is the moment where you were most scared on an exhibition in Antarctica. I kept hoping that it's gonna get better, And it just kept getting worse Like I could die, Do you have a conversation with your partner before you go and do something like this, Because she wrote a letter, Oh gosh, Obviously, this is your worst nightmare, she said, But we all have to do.Scary thing, sometimes, Alex.Guys, I've got a favor to us before this episode begins.69% of you that listen to the show frequently haven't yet hit the follow button. And that follow button is very smart because it means you won't miss the best episodes. The algorithm if you follow a show will deliver you, the best episodes from that show very prominently in your feed. So when we have our best episodes on this show. the most shared episodes, the most rated episodes. I would love you to know. And the simple way for you to know that is to hit that follow button. Thank you so, so so much.😊🎼。Alex.🎼To understand you, I think.From everything I've learned about you, from the research I've done from speaking to your wife, your agent, everybody I could speak to, I think to understand your context, we first need to understand the circumstances in which you were raised and the childhood you had because it seems to be, I mean, for all of us, there's like fingerprints left left on us that define the anomaly.That many of us become, including yourself. So what do I need to know, What does the viewer need to know about that early context, I mean, how do you do want to go, I I need to.But yeah, certainly, there's a, there's an imprint from my parents my upbing. I mean, they had a very fraught relationship. They eventually got divorced, but they stayed together for the kids. And it was a whole, like, you know, say a tense home life because neither of them really like each other. And then my mom is very driven, very.You know, high performing. And my dad was hard to say. I mean, I think my dad was deeply depressed basically the whole time I knew him because he was in this relationship. You know, it's hard to tell he wasn't living his best life. And then sadly, after he got divorced, he was, he was much happier than he died. And so then never really got to see. never really got to see himlossing that much.😔And your mother's high performing. And, did she sort of implicitly demand that view in any way. Yeah, I mean, my mother speaks like seven languages. she like plays every instruments like kind of crazy. She's very artistically minded in that way, Like, you know, the arts and classical sense. But yeah, she, I mean, she wanted us to do all those things to I'm a deep disappointment in that regard. there was a phrase that I saw when I was watching the documentary that, your mother would continually say, which I think translates to something like not good enough. like press going comp like almost.Of like almost doesn't count.It's funny because I feel like a lot of my dual life now. One of my sort of go to things is, you know, don't let perfect be the enemy of good. I'm really into like good enough. Like it's better to like try. It's better to do something. You know, it's better to fail quickl...（已截断）
Decoder with Nilay Patel
(1)
Money no longer matters to AI's top talent
41m
2026/02/19
📝 AI
总结
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That's why top startups like cursor linear and Relet. use Vanta to get and stay secure. Get started at Vanta dot com slash Vox. That's V A N T A.😊Dot com slash box, Vana dot com slash box.🎼Hello and welcome to decoder. I'm Neil La Patel, editor in chief of the Verge. And decocoder is my show about big ideas and other problems. Today, we're going to talk about the war for AI talent. Right now, the hottest job market on the planet is for AI researchers and the vast majority of people are concentrated into a small number of hugely valuable, extremely fast growing companies in the San Francisco Bay areas. And these companies are paying some of the highest salaries in the history of the tech industry to poach researchers from one another. and it feels.😊Like every time one of these AI researchers leaves one company for another, they tell us exactly why.🎼Sometimes they're simply resigning to go be a poet. Sometimes they're chasing a mission. Sometimes they're worried that AI is going to imperil humanity, destroy all jobs and plunge the world into chaos.They're really saying these things. They're publishing these notes on X in blog posts, or in the case of one former open AI safety researcher by writing a full New York Times op ed. I've been dying to really dig in and try to unpack what's going on with all these talent moves in AI. So my guest today is Vige senior AI reporter Hayden Field, who's been covering the revolving door of the AI industry really closely and also the broader culture that's motivating the AI workers to jump ship and the companies that are ruthlessly trying to hire them. Those motivations vary. So, all.😊🎼ThesePeople are paid extravagant salaries. But as you'll hear Hayden say, a more stronger motivating force is ideology and mission. The people working on AI by and large, believe that what they're doing is going to radically change the world. and they're not really in desperate need of more money.So that really changes the incentive structures that might push people to leave, say, open AI for anthropic or to quit Elon Musk's X AI now that it's been acquired by SpaceX.🎼At the same time, the incentives of the AI companies themselves are going from raising money to making money. Reporting suggests that open AI and maybe even anthropic could go public this year, and doing so would create a historic amount of wealth. It would also put new kinds of pressure on these companies to be more transparent about how they spend money and to be much more accountable for returning on the huge investments that they've raised so far.There's a lot in this conversation. The AI industry right now is full of drama. There's big characters, bitter rivalries, lots of money and really, really long blog posts about the end of the world. Okay, here's Vi senior AI reporter Hayden Field. here we go.😊🎼う。.うん？🎼 I wanted to check in on the state of the tech labor market and how big of its distorting effect AI is having on it, not from the automation perspective, but rather how the behavior of the AI labs and the people who work there is having a major impact on everything arou...（已截断）
Y Combinator Startup Podcast
(1)
Inside Claude Code With Its Creator Boris Cherny
50m
2026/02/17
📝 AI
总结
🎼Atentthropic, the way that we thought about it is we don't build for the model of today. We build for the model six months from now. That's actually like still my advice to founders that are building on LMs. Just try to think about like, what is that frontier where the model is not very good at today, because it's gonna get good at it. All of Quad code has just been written and rewritten and rewritten and rewritten over and over and over. There is no part of Quad code that was around six months ago. You try think you give it to users, you talk to users you learn. And then eventually you might end up at a good idea, Sometimes you don't. You also in the document thinking that maybe like in six months.Don't need to prompt that explicitly, but the model just be good enough to go out at own, maybe in a month.No money for mode. Oh my god.Welcome to another episode of the Light cone. And today, we have an extremely special guest. Boris Journey, the creator engineer of Claude Code. Boris, thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me. Thanks for creating a thing that has taken away my sleep for about three weeks straight I am very addicted to Claude code. And it feels like rocket boosters. Has it felt like this for people like for you know, months at this point. I think it was like end of November is where.😊A lot of my friends said, like something changed. I remember for me, I felt the way when I first created quad code, and I didn't yet know if I was onto something. I kind of felt like I was onto something. And then that's when I wasn't sleeping.And that was just three straight months. This was September 2024. Yeah, it was like three straight months. I I didn't take a single day vacation, worked through the weekends, worked every single night. I was just like, oh my God, this is, I think this is gonna be a thing. I don't know if it's useful yet.😊Becauseuse you couldn't actually code yet. If you look back on those moments to now, like what would be like the most surprising thing about this moment right now, It's unbelievable that we're still using a terminal. that was supposed to be the starting point. I didn't think that would be the ending point. And then the second one is that it's even useful because you know, at the beginning, it didn't really write code, Even in February when we created it. It wrote maybe like 10% of my code or something like that. I didn't really use it to write code. It wasn't very good at it. I still wrote most of my code by hand.So the fact that it actually, like our bets paid off and it got good at the thing that we thought it was gonna get good at because it wasn't obvious. At Anthropic, the way that we thought about it is we don't build for the model of today, we build for the model six months from now And that's actually like still my advice to founders that are building on Lms is, you know, just try to think about like, what is that frontier where the model is not very good at today because it's gonna get good at it. And you just have to wait going back, Be do you remember when you first up the ideaic.Talk us through that. Like, was itt like a spark or what was even the first version of it in your mind. You know, it's funny. It was like it was so accidental that it just kind of evolved into this. You know, as anthropic, I think for an, the that has been coding for a long time. And the be has been the path to save, to save AGI is through coding. And this is, this is kind of always been idea. And the way you get there is you, you teach the model how to code, Then you teach it how to use tools, Then you teach it how to use computers. and you can.See that because the the first team that I joined at Anthropic. it was called the Anthropic labbs team. and it produced three products. It was Quad code, MCP and the desktop app. So you can kind of see how these like, weave together.The particular product that we build, you know, like no one, no one asked me to build a CI.We kind of knew maybe it was time to build some kind of coding product because it seemed like the model was ready, but no one had yet really built a product that harnessed this capability. So like, still, there's this insane feeling of product overhang. But at the time, it was just like even crazier because like no one had built this yet. And so I started like hacking around. And I was like, okay, we built a coding product. What do I have to do first. I have to understand how to use the API because I hadn't used anthropic API at that point.And so I just feel like a little terminal app to use the API. That's all that I did. And it was a little chat app because, you know, like, you think about the, you know, AI applications at the time And, you know, for enrs today, most, what are most people using is just a chat app. So that's what I built.And you know, it was in a terminal. I can ask questions, I gave answers.Then I think To use came out. I just want to try To use because I don't really understand what this is. I was like two ye...（已截断）