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🎼大家好，欢迎收听西京东易。如果你和我一样，厌倦了在同质化的AI二手信息中打转，渴望第一时间了解彼岸的优质内容，但又苦于语言的壁垒。那么这个播客就是为你准备的。我是主播杰瑞，一位深耕AI领域的产品经理，很荣幸能为你搭建这座跨越语言的桥梁，带你零距离追踪全球一手的顶尖播客，欢迎关注同名公众号，获取更多内容。人工智能的未来，真的只靠砸钱堆算力，扩大规模吗？吴恩达教授却给出了一个截然不同的答案，他认为，那种认为规模至上的看法很大程度上只是少数几家巨头公司公关宣传的结果，真正的突破点在于agentic workflows，也就是我们所说的智能体工作流，但究竟是什么阻碍了智能体的广泛应用，是技术还不够成熟吗？吴恩达一针见血的指出，我看到的最大的障碍。🎼其实是人才，是那些懂得如何用系统性流程进行错误分析和迭代的工程人才的极度稀缺，这是不是完全超出了你的想象？那么这对于AI的未来发展究竟意味着什么？我们又该如何应对这种挑战，让我们马上进入这场与吴恩达的深度对话。各位听众好，欢迎回到今天的no prayer播客。我和ella今天请到了andrew andGandrew可以说是人工智能革命的教父之一，他是谷歌大脑curra以及风险工作室AI found的联合创始人。最近他创造了agantic AI这个词，并加入了亚马逊的董事会。而且早在10年前，他也是最早说服我深度学习，就是未来的人之一。欢迎你andrewandrew非常感谢你来参加我们的节目，能见到你总是很高兴。说实话，我都有点不知道从哪儿开始聊了。因为你对这些话题的见解实在太广了。但我觉得我们还是应该从那个最大的问题开始。展望未来AI能力的增长将从何而来，是来自于更大的模型规模吗？还是来自于数据方面的工作。我认为在模型规模化的这颗柠檬里，可能还剩下一点点知识可以挤。所以我们也许还能取得一些进展，但这件事情正变得越来越有挑战性。要知道，社会对AI的认知在很大程度上被少数几家公关能力极强的公司的宣传机器给带偏了。因为这些公司主导了模型规模和市场叙事。所以大家一提到AI的进步，首先想到的就是规模化。但我认为像agenttic工作流。我们构建多模态模型的方式，以及在构建具体应用时需要做的大量工作，这些都是推动进步的。重要因素。当然也存在一些不确定性的王牌。比如像扩散模型这样的全新技术，目前主要用于生成图像，那它能用来生成文本吗？我觉得这非常令人兴奋。所以我认为AI的进步会有多种多样的路径。你当初提出agentic AI这个概念时，具体指的是什么呢？是这样，当我决定开始谈论agentAI的时候，这个词还不存在。我记得我团队当时对我还有点小意见。有位成员就跟我说，andrew。这个世界真的不需要你再造一个新词了，但我还是决定这么做。我之所以要推动agentic AI这个概念，是因为我发现大概在几年前，人们花了大量时间去争论，这个是agent，那个不是agent，但在我看来，当时已经有很多出色的工作成果了。他们只是处于智能体自主性这个光谱上的不同位置。有些是高度自制的agent可以自己规划执行多个步骤，而另一些自主性程度较低，比如通过提示工程来反思。和优化输出。所以我觉得与其去争论它到底算不算一个agent，不如我们承认存在不同程度的自主性，把他们都看作是agenttic，然后把时间花在实际的构建上。所以我开始推广agenttic AI这个词。但我万万没想到的是，几个月后，一群市场营销人员抓住了这个词，把它当成一个万能标签，贴在所有东西上。所以agenttic AI这个词可以说是迅速活了。我的感觉是，市场营销的炒作速度快的惊人。但真实的商业进展虽然也在快速增长，但可能并没有市场宣传的那么快。那你认为目前将agent作为AI应用真正落地最大的障碍是什么？我们看到最初缺失的一些东西，比如特定形式的推理时计算、记忆模块等等。现在已经有了这些技术能让agent在执行任务时保持某种状态。在你看来，还有哪些东西是缺失的，或者说需要被构建出来，才能真正推动这方面的发展。我觉得在技术组件层面确实还有些东西希望能够改进。比如说控制计算机视觉来操作电脑，有时候能行，但很多时候还是不行。还有像安全护栏、评估体系，这些都是很大的难题。如何快速的评估这些系统，并且通过评估来驱动迭代，非常关键。所以技术组建层面还有改进空间，但在我看来，要让更多entAI工作流落地。目前最大的一个障碍其实是人才。我观察了很多团队构建A阵的方式，发现市场上最大的一个区分点。就是这个团队是否懂得如何用一套评估体系来驱动一个系统性的错误分析流程。也就是说，你构建A阵的过程是在任何一个时间点都能清晰的分析出什么是有效的，什么是无效的，以及下一步该如何改进，相比。之下，经验不足的团队更多是在随机的尝试各种方法，这自然会花费很长的时间。我们看到无论大小企业都有大量的工作，可以通过agenttic工作流实现自动化。但关键在于你得有具备这些技能的人才。那你觉得这个工程流程本身有多少可以被AI自动化呢？你知道构建一个自动化工作流的很多过程，其实都需要吸收大量的外部知识。而这些知识通常都掌握在人的脑子里。所以除非我们能造出可以采访员工的AI化身，或者能直接观察电脑屏幕的视觉AI否则短期内很难实现。我觉得至少在未来一两年，人类工程师在部署这些自动化工作流方面，还是有很多工作要做的。所以更多的是数据收集反馈之类的工作，对吧？我很好奇。这具体体现在哪些方面呢？我给你举个例子吧，我看到很多这样的工作流，比如一个客户通过邮件发来一份文档，系统需要先把文档转成文本，然后可能为了合规性，要去网上搜一下这个供应商是不是在黑名单里。接着再去数据库里查一下价格，对不对，最后再保存到另一个地方。你看这就是一个混合了自动化和机器人流程自动化的多步骤工作流。但当我们去实施这个流程时，他往往第一次跑不通。比如说。如果发票日期搞错了，这算不算一个问题，或者系统把验证信息发给了错误的人，又该怎么办？几乎所有这类系统第一次部署都跑不起来，这时候就需要判断什么对你的业务流程最重要。比如说我不小心多次打扰了公司的CEO这行不行？还是说CEO其实不建议帮忙验证几张发票。所有这些外部的情境化的知识，至少在目前来看，还是需要有经验的产品经理或工程师去仔细。😊思考和决策。那么AI智能体未来能做到这一点吗？我也不确定，至少在目前来看，挑战还是非常大的，但未来也许有可能。因为这些知识既不存在于互联网的预训练数据里，也不存在于我们可以自动提取的手册中。我感觉很多构建工作流所需的数据都是专有的，它不是互联网上的通用知识，所以搞清楚这些本身就是一件很有挑战，也很有趣的工作。如果我们看一下。那自动化AI的整个范畴，你见过的最强的代理能力agency的例子是什么？在自动化AI的最前沿，我个人对一些AI编程智能体的印象就非常深刻。从经济价值的角度看，我认为有两个非常清晰。两个巨大的价值领域。第一个是回答人们的问题。open AI的check gPT就是典型，它的崛起速度简直惊人。而第二个巨大的经济价值洼地就是编程智能体。我个人目前最喜欢的工具是cloud code。当然。但这个未来可能会变，但我现在用着感觉非常好。他在规划如何构建软件制定任务清单，并逐一执行这些步骤方面，展现了高度的自主性。这种规划多步骤任务并逐一执行的能力是目前我们能看到的最有效、自动化程度最高的应用之一。当然也有一些其他应用目前还不太成熟，比如一些电脑操作类的任务，像是让他帮我上网买个东西。这类应用虽然有一些很不错的演示，但离真正投产还有距离。那些演示确实很。😊很棒，但还没法应用到实际生产中，是因为需要完成的标准更明确，行动的变化性更小吗？还是说你觉得编程领域有更好的训练集或者输出格式。我有点好奇，为什么这个方向能成。而其他的用力却进展的比较艰难呢？我觉得工程师们非常擅长让各种东西跑起来，但编程这件事的经济价值实在是太清晰，太巨大了。所以投入到这个领域的资源是海量的。这也让很多开发者自己就是用户，他们凭借出色的产品直觉打造出了非常惊艳的编程智能体。所以我不认为这只是个基础研究问题，我更觉得这是资本主义在发挥作用，是领域知识和市场需求的结合哦，而且我认为资本主义在解决基础研究问题上其实非常有效。那你觉得模型什么时候能实现有效的自我迭代。比如一个模型99%的代码都是由AI。智能题自己编写或者完成错误分析的。我们正在慢慢接近这个目标。一些顶尖的基础模型公司已经公开表示，他们正在用AI来编写代码。有一点我觉得特别激动人心。那就是AI模型正在利用智能工作流，为下一代模型生成训练数据。比如说lema的研究就提到过，他们用旧模型长时间思考，生成一些复杂的难题，然后用这些难题去训练新一代模型，让新模型能够快。速解决问题，而不需要长时间的思考。我觉得这太令人兴奋了。是的，这感觉就像是AI的进步是多维度的。有太多聪明的人在从各种不同的方向上同时推动着它前进。我记得你好像不太赞成凭感觉编程vabe coding这个说法，更倾向于AI辅助编程，这两者有什么区别吗？是不是说后者意味着你不是在凭感觉形式。没错，凭感觉编程这个词会让人误以为我只要跟着感觉走，接受所有AI的建议就行了。有时候这么做确实也行得通，但我真希望事情有那么简单。实际上，当我花一天或者一个下午用AI编程时，这根本不是跟着感觉走，而是一项深度智力活动。我觉得凭感觉编程这个词让这件事听起来比实际要轻松太多了。说实话，用AI辅助编程，一天下来，我的脑力消耗是巨大的，所以我更愿意称之为快。快速工程rapd engineeringAI让我们能够以前所未有的速度构建复杂的系统和产品，但这本质上仍然是工程，只是速度被极大的提升了。你认为这种模式正在改变初创公司的本质吗？比如所需的人数，构建产品的方式等等，还是说这本质上还是老一套，只是因为有了这些新工具，人们的杠杆效应更强了。当然它正在彻底改变。我们创建初创公司的方式，这太令人兴奋了。过去需要一个6人工程师团队花3个月才能做出来的事情。现在我的一个朋友或者我自己一个周末就能搞定。我观察到一个特别有意思的现象，我们想一下创业的核心循环，就是打造一个用户喜爱的产品，对吧？这个核心的迭代循环，首先是编写软件，也就是软件工程的工作，然后产品经理去做用户测试，观察数据，或者凭直觉来决定如何改进产品。现在当我们审视这个循环时，会发现编程的速度在急剧加快，成本在不断下降。于是瓶颈越来越明显的转移到了产品管理上。也就是说，我们现在能以更快的速度构建任何我们想要的东西。但真正的瓶颈在于，决定我们到底应该构建什么。以前如果你花三个星期做一个原型，再花一个星期去收集用户反馈，这没问题。但如果你一天就能做出来，那再等一个星期才能拿到用户反馈，这个过程就挺折腾的了。所以说实话，我发现我的团队越来越依赖直觉，因为我们会收集大量数据来构建我们自己脑中的关于用户想要什么的心智模型。然后我们常常需要凭借深刻的用户同理心，非常非常快的做出产品决策。那你有没有看到过什么工具能把这部分工作自动化呢，我知道市面上有一些尝试，比如用一系列的机器人来实时模拟反应，构建一个虚拟的用户市场或者用户群。用这种方式？来做市场调研。你看到过这类工具成功落地或者普及的案例吗？或者你觉得这是未来的趋势，还是说实现起来难度太高了？是的，现在确实有不少工具在尝试加速产品管理这个流程。我感觉吧最近有些在设计环节做的尝试，效果并不算特别好。然后呢，还有一些工具尝试用AI来帮助访谈潜在用户。而且就像你提到的，我们也看过一些科学论文研究如何用一群AI代理来。模拟用户群体以及如何校准他们这些方向都让人觉得很有前景，但还处在早期阶段，希望未来能有令人兴奋的突破。不过我觉得这些工具给产品经理带来的效率提升，远远比不上编程工具，给软件工程师带来的加速效果。所以说瓶颈确实越来越明显的出现在产品管理这一端。这让我想到我的合伙人mike有个观点，我觉得很有启发性。😊可以用在很多不同方面，就是说计算机现在可以大规模的盘问人类了。所以现在有一些公司就是在针对消费者研究这类任务做这件事，对吧？但你同样可以用这个方法来理解用户，用于模型训练，或者用于你刚才...（已截断）

I have a hard time celebrating my achievements, because in my mind, it was my obligation to achieve it. The dilemma of the high achiever. I know, I know you don't struggle with this at all. right, I know thiss truly game recognizes game, as they say. Yes, yes, all, all from a place of deep wounds and the desire to be adequate and enough. Yeah, I have a hard time celebrating my achievements and wins because it was in my mind, In my mind. it was my obligation to achieve them. And not only that.I think the group of people we hang out with, you hang out with. I hang out with makes the exceptional seem extremely normal. I was having a conversation the other day with a friend who both of us had long runs, and I was running 16. He was running 20. And there was a time a couple of years ago where you couldn't have paid me thousands of dollars to do anything but drive 16 miles. And the fact of the matter is the average person thinks that's crazy. And there was a time where I was extremely proud of that. I remember running my first 10 miles. I remember where I was. I remember what I was doing. It was sunny.😊Atlanta on the belt line. And I remember when it hit 10 and I hit stop on the Apple wash. and I didn went holy shit. I just ran 10 miles.And then now it's just, it's just a normal. And the carrot keeps moving for the high achiever. So I think the battle has now become learning to be content in the things that we achieve. You know, this, this was a goal of mine sitting down with you and being on this podcast. I've listened to it for years. And it's incredible to be in it with you right now. it's truly an honor. because you can interview anybody in the world. And yet, here I sit.😊And so what, what is the, what is the line between sitting in the pride and the humility and the graciousness and gratitude of the achievement. and then moving the needle. And I think you alluded to this in an episode you did a while ago, talking about how.You forgot to celebrate the winds along the way, which LED to an inevitable case of burnout.And when we were here at the podcast at the fourway podcast the other day with.Sehaan and George, we talked about.The importance of romanticizing every single thing in your life. So that way, when the big achievement comes, it doesn't feel like an obligation. It feels like a victory. and you can truly sit in it before you move on to the next thing.It's stranger. I think people that have high standards assume that they should always win. They should always succeed.And that turns success from a cause for celebration into the minimum level of acceptable performance. Succs simply becomes what's expected of you and anything less than success would be a failure. And yeah, it's the habituation that we see heonic adaptation. people talk about it for, you buy a new car and it's all exciting. And then pretty quickly, you get used to it. You move into a new house. thinking about it for so long. And you were looking on Zopler and right move. and you were comparing it. And this is what would.And then it's just the place that you put your shoes at the end of the day after a while. But a much more sort of pernicious place for this is in personal growth. It's in your own capacity. So previously, your old PR, that you celebrated at the time is now a warm upset. And the same thing goes for the status that you have and your precision with the way that you do your art form, the speed at which you can complete a particular task, whether you're a salesperson or you manage a.😊Retail store or you write a blog or whatever. you want to permanently pushing the limits. And as you raise the bar, that means that you will always feel like you suck because your standards continually outsstrip your ability to deliver them. And that's good in some ways, because it keeps.Forcing you to progress, but it does mean that you live in this gap, right, You don't live in the game, The comparison between where you are and where you are. You live in the gap between where you are and where you want to be. That's not where you could be, because sometimes you can want to be further than where you could be. And I told you that story about Alexander the Great, which is how he we read the quote of Alexander saying and Alexander wept for he saw there were normal worlds to conquer as his ambition being able to outstrip reality.His ability to challenge him. he was bigger than the world. and he reached the edge of it and couldn't keep going, but would have done. But that's not the actual quote. The actual quote is him realizing that there are infinite worlds. and he hasn't even yet become the Lord of one. So he's crying at how puny and minuscule his accomplishments are. And I think that that's actually much closer to how we all feel. like who has ever reached the edge of their ambition. Their ambition continues to outstriip it. You're right. If you raise your standards, you.ど？Regularly disparage your accomplishments, even in the process of them. And the...（已截断）

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And it's foring me.hello,大家好，欢迎收听美丽小辫部，我是思珍，我是林兰，我是佳瑞，好久不见。我这次想的这个主题是蒸蒸日上的人生。想聊这个是因为看到了佳瑞发的一条小红书。看完那个小红书之后，我脑子里只有四个字蒸蒸日上。虽然今天在录这些播客之前，他整个人的状态是奄奄一息，但我仍然认为总体还是有这样一个。非常向上的基调的。你是从哪些文本细读里看出蒸蒸日上的，你解读一下，我本人听到这个原因的时候，愣了一下说啊，就原本我们这一期不是要聊这个主题的，我就是因为看了你新发那个小说。你说你什么站在云冈石窟下，什么夕阳西下又升了一档播客，夕阳西下又升了一档播客对太强了，评论里面，你也在说最近每天都在完成土肚，感到很开心。我觉得我们就是已经死了一段时间了，也该。稍微模泛起来了，正好春天嘛，反正今天就是围绕蒸蒸日上展开一个有主题闲聊。嗯，OK我们其实一直以来都是有主题闲聊，从来没有有主题不闲聊聊嗯，是没错啦。那大家觉得这个月就3月吧，虽然我们播客上应该是4月，就3月自己的状态是什么样的一个基调，跟之前的2月或者是1月有什么不同吗？看到这个蒸蒸日。上的日子，其实我自己的解读是如何过好一种蒸蒸日下的日子。虽然它是蒸蒸日上，但是对我来说更贴切的说法是蒸蒸日下，但是我也想办法把它过好吧。但其实我的状态跟3个月前，两个月前没有什么特别大的不同，总体来说还是每天都像一个怨妇一样，在抱怨非常多，就是我撞见谁，我就是抓谁就是会说巨多。鲁迅笔下的祥李子扫，就是就是之前不是往。😊网上也掀写过一番这个对祥林嫂有点像是平反嘛，就意思是说他都这么苦了，他当然要说，难道不说吗？祥林嫂这个形象在当代职场里面有有了一个新的更新了。我可能比之前稍微有能量一点点，也是跟这个整个天气回暖有关系。前几天去了东京嘛，跟我的朋友见面，我们是英文交流。因为我要重新剪酒的英文还是需要一些时间，就是刚开始跟他说话，就还是有点磕磕绊绊，就说一半就突然忘词了。但是一旦。跟他吐槽起这个工作，我整个英语就流畅起来，你知道吗？就一旦开始说你心中想说的话，突然他就通了，负能量也是能量，但他还是负的。O他还是一个不错，但是你这个痛苦不是文学的温床，也是另外一种就语言能力突飞猛进的温床，我是在最后两天才蒸蒸日上的。因为3月有31天啊，这一个月真的做了好多事儿，看上去没什么进展，只是在月底的时候。后发了一篇稿，但之前的每一天其实都做了很多很多的事情，他只是还没有出那个成果。因为好多步骤啊，每一个步骤你发现自己都要动脑。就像我之前在AI那一期说我自己脑门过热，我就觉得自己这一个月经常处现一个脑门过热的状态。因为这个月是做了两个有点难的采访，那对我来说挺难的。因为采一个人发现不够。然后采另外的人，然后你问每一个人的问题又都是不一样。然后你问他们的问题，还得带着服务主题，的那个意识。我之前觉得自己是一个很擅长问问题的人，因为本来就是踢人嘛，就很多个为什么，但现在发现自己就是快写不出问题了，但是最后这两天呃过得还挺好的，等一下可以讲讲怎么开始上起来的。佳瑞我就整体回顾一下我的3月过的特别特别快，因为他是跟过年接着的嘛。我要先讲一下我有多少工作，我现在有手上有3。😊大块工作，一个是看理想的小红书和视频号的运营，附带小红书和视频号的店铺，每天要更新，加上每天要看收入的工作，这是一个不是我惯用的脑子。然后一个部分是跟字节合作的那个古籍新说播客，更到第六期就第一季算是结束了。我们在聊第二季，所以它会是个短暂休息。不过我也在3月里面更了两期嘛，这是一个需要大量学习输入主持删稿。上线的工作，就是这是另外一个分。嗯，然后因为我们今天开始做国内的游学团。然后我们为此还升了一个新的播客，就是刚刚思珍说，我在云冈的夕阳下说我升了一个博客的那个博客叫此地无可替代。这个播客其实并不是我个人的意志，是领导们都非常看好。他们都说这个方向这个选题这个这个垂直领域，我们一定能做出跟别人很不一样的东西。然后事实证明发出来确实。关注度还蛮高的，我本来只想把我自己当成一个工具人在里面，没有办法当工具人，就是你得付出你的劳动。然后我还带了一个晋北的旅行团，就是5天在出差。所以我就回想着3月，我是怎么过下来，我就是靠每周把我的to do list写的非常非常细过下来，就是我会分成几块，开始是本周大事分开每一个部分的工作进行到哪了，怎么样，就是细作到今天给谁付钱了，合同回没回。所以我这些事一起在我脑子里。赚我过了一个比较辛苦的月份。嗯，因为我整个过年期间都在学道教的东西，就是为了3月1号去上海录那一期节目，这就是知识在脑子里面打架。我觉得人脑可能有无限的开发范围吧。总之对我来说，我就是靠每天完成我的to list度过了整个3月。今天想哦4月1号了，好险，3月份终于过去了，3月份真的很难。因为我看你那条小红书的时候，我很有感触，不知道为啥，它可能击中了我某种情绪。他不是诉苦的那个fe，而是一种苦中作乐。 of my work这样吗？就你很主动的在做这件事，而不是被淹没在什么东西里面。你说你每天把什么可能要付什么账，记什么合同也写下来，我也会写。因为之前约好了朋友来我家之类的，我的那个memo里面写好，他哪天要来，不然我真的我就记不住，我有一天我就是绷不住了，我就请假，因为面对的很多东西都是老大难问题，事实。😊当你想要开始把采访做好的时候，你就发现这个背后有好多门道，以及有好多坑。但是你踩进去了之后，你就得想办法给自己收场，想办法给自己往回填补。因为最后你得交出去这个东西，你不能让对方觉得自己被利用或者受损害，你又得对对方好，然后对对方负责，然后整个过程都变得极难。我记得有一天晚上跟一个采访对象聊完，已经是10点了。第二天就觉得自己不行，就。太多的信息会在脑子里的时候，你是没有能力，也没有能量继续去过第二天的，你必须得把自己的这些情绪排出去。所以我觉得蒸蒸日上背后也是有很多苦难的，就你做出一些让自己满足或者舒适的事儿，背后还是很痛苦。我之前会觉得有点奇怪，就因为这个事儿其实完全是你自己给你自己的一个压力嘛。然后这当然是一个很好的状态。就因为我们每个人都都在try to be responsible。我们的驱动力。总体来说，还是因为我们是一个好人，我们希望把事情做好。我们不希望辜负任何的这个合作方和所有的参与我们自己的事儿的这么一个人嘛。但是还是退一步讲，这个事儿没有一个更大层面的压力。假如说这个事就怎么着了，说白了就不会有任何金钱上的损失，其实就还好，但你还是处在一个好像走进了一个比较大的压力的一个的一个漩涡。嗯，对我就像那个锅快烧开水了一样，咕嘟嘟，那我以为我在想这个压力是怎。么来的？因为确实没有什么外界的，就强迫我说你必须要在哪一天就一定得把这个东西做出来。包括采访对象也没有给我施加这个压力，就完全没有。我的采访对象是是兰西亚，还有我们的女性知性的那个节目的主讲人婵婵，他们两个人都是很好的人，我也有在想自己的这个情绪是怎么来的。可能就是我太想把他做出来了，或者是嗯我太看重这个东西了，我就会给。自很多的压力。但是到后来我的想法就是我放开，我先把做完再说。就其实大家道理都懂嘛，完成比完美更重要。但事实上你开始做的时候，你会发现有很多东西，他可能比你预想的困难更多，你就会一直陷在那个所谓的完美漩涡里了。你不会想自己其实还可以先普普通通的把他做完这个步骤，也是有在想要怎么解决这个事儿，就是兰西亚，因为他是一个很好的人，就你跟他聊天的。能感受到他的真诚。但是因为他跟我之前对他的想象实在是很不一样。就在聊天的过程当中，他完全打翻了我对他的想象。我以为因为他演的很多戏和剧都是很大开大合的那种充满生命力。所以我就觉得他可能也是这样的一个人。但其实他不是他很多事情都是很沉静的。他说把他消化好，再告诉你，你要想把这个人物呈现的更完整更立体的话，你就要去找他的身边人去聊天。所以我就。跟山花烂漫时的编剧原子弹老师就是采访了他，然后也跟他的经纪人聊天，然后最后把这个东西做出来。这个过程里面有一个点比较启发我的是当你跟不同的人接触的时候，真的就会有转机出现。因为我在跟原子弹老师聊天的时候，他说了一句话，真的就是那短短的一句话，一下子让我找到了这篇文章的一个核心。他说那句话是我在非常热闹的场合里面见过兰西亚，但他也是不怎么热闹的。然后他后面就开始讲说那个场合是。什么什么样的，就这一句话让我找到了那个关键词，就是在一个热闹的世界里不太热闹的活着的人。当你多多的去了解，或者是多多的给自己开一些不一样的触角的话，可能真的他就通了。我可能有两点针对这个情况可以分享，一个就是之前佳瑞跟我讲的，你记得你跟我讲那个什么抓大放小，因为我也是前几周有一段时间整个脑子感觉要炸爆炸。因为又有一些非常。烦的很细碎的项目在进行中，就整个人非常的恼火，还有无数的这种可能类似于公司管理层面的各种各样的东西。在像我的脑子喷过来，然后每天都有3到4个人来找我说能不能推这个能不能推那个我最根本的是我还是想做我自己的内容。但是所有这件事情让我没有办法做我这己内容。我就是每天四个大字巨烦无比给我滚开哦，8个大字，不好意思，就是这种状态，反正我忘了再跟郑总在跟瑞。说个啥，他就跟我说，你就抓大放小，我应该就是劝你把你最珍贵的注意力用到最重要的事情上。其他的事情就是划过没有错，对，不要浪费你的情绪和注意力。是因为之前我可能真的会是比如说每一个向我涌来的信息和需要我处理的东西，我都会去回他。但是你后面给我讲了之后，有些信息我真的不回。不是因为我没有礼貌，而是我在当天我实在有太多东西在我脑子后台里面跑，我没有办法做到每一条。😡然问询的信息都回，所以有的我就真的不回。但是我可能隔了3天之后，我想起来，当时那个脑子状态好一点了，我再去回那个信息，做到这个抓大放小。因为确实有很多东西都在争夺我的这个精历和注意力。然后我得先从我自己的自身的目标，从这个视角去把它分优先级，哪个东西最重要，我就分给他最多的经历，没有那么符合我的标准，也没有关系，他就先发出去，我台会就先干出去就是。大概这么做了一下之后就有好一些。嗯，就是让那些东西他先飘一会儿，我不要再逼迫自己去及时的给每一个信息都给予一个确定的反馈。有点像什么太极一样把它推出去。你是一个高速公路的路口，你要分流。像一个交通管制员一样，在那个灰小旗子对分流。我就觉得这个是蛮重要的，就还是得先可能理清楚自己的某一个阶段，或者是就算是这个季度也好，我的工作目标是什么。嗯根据这个目标去分配自己的精历，就个拆解自己经历。其他那些事儿呃，所有的信息再涌过来，我好像突然就能分清楚哦，这个是重要。这个次要这个滚就好多了。另外一个就是因为刚才这儿讲到自己这个。稿的过程嘛，我写另外一个稿子，因为在做一个刘文成的采访，然后把它变成一个稿子。我知道那个稿子不是一个特别厉害的稿子。但是呢就是因为在写这个稿子中途，我看到了张俊，最近很喜欢看张俊的小说，他发了一个vlog就说快速失败，快速迭代，我觉得老哥讲的好有道理。老哥怎么这么擅长做小说呢？很喜欢他的那个观点。然后我就觉得OK就是这篇稿子，我也要快速迭代，就呃有点是逼自己开始。然后现在现在做完了那个稿子，我也不会把它看成是一个特别里程碑一样的东西。就是比如说我们要上楼梯，我们是不会说把第三个台阶看成是成功的那个台阶，但是那个台阶它也很重要，它不能没有。就虽然它不是帮你抵达第二层楼的那一个最后的台阶，但是它作为第三哦，我第四个台阶，它有它存在的意义。我知道它还有非常非常多进步的空间。但是起码从写完那篇稿子，我得到的一个现金是首先第一，我是。有能力把一篇稿子写完，就这个事情很重要。朋友们就是你知道原来我是有能力把一件事情做完的，我在开始写一篇稿子之前，我就挠头挠了起码3天。因为我不知道从哪开始。后面我就想着说okK我之前写完过稿子。我现在也可以写完稿子。然后就硬着头皮开始慢慢1.1.1点把它最后弄完了。那么下一次我就可以再去想一些更难一点的东西，所以它是个阶梯式的东西，我用这种方式让自己不要给。😊过多的压力我觉得挺好。因为我刚刚听那个在...（已截断）

😀How many PRs you think are going get pushed to the core structural internet in 100 days, What's the over under numberer, Because I'll give you a number. You're gonna say 0. my answer to that is I'll say like 10000 but it's gonna be a me. if it prevents your browser history from being released everybody in the world, Chimat, That may be something that you're willing to, you know, let 100 days pass on. I think you got Chamat's attention when you said browser history. What about the di picks. he gonna release to himself..🎼You like your winner.Rain man, David out.🎼We open source it to the fans, and they've just got.Lo queen.🎼All right, everybody, welcome back to the number one podcast in the world. David Freeberg is out this week. But in his place, the one, the only.😊Our fifth bestsie brand Gerner, I mean, why don't you ever give me puts a little no day in your payday anymore used to be the greatest moderator. But now it's just. You know once these guys beat me up, they beat me up and they just beat the joy out of me doing this program it's because you're a Roa apologist No, No, I we'll get into it. Okay, save it from thea apologies, just because I said like, hey, they've stopped retard.axingAnd they've started doing like some logical things. Yeah, okay, It's great to be here. Great to be here. have you. Good to have you here. And of course, we have David Saacks is back. Everybody wants to hear from David Sachs. We missed you last week, Besty. We didn't beat the joy out of you. We just try to beat some of the hot air. any fluff that you can put on the show that this involves you talking and saying nothing is That's the stuff we gotta turn, yeah.cut. Okay, Yeah, cut it right out. and we'll cut it out. and then we's put a promo in for the syndicate dot com. Thank you. I'm also with us. Jamal polyop is here. How's your retard maxing going since last week, Did you have a retard maxing full weekend? Did you have a good full weekend of just smoking cigars in the back deck and not ruminating about all the chaos you've caused in the last 20 years.😊I think I've done generally, more good.死先 not。Oh, you have. But there's been some chaotic moments. I don't think about mouth. You can't bro. You can't have ups without downs, man. It's like, what are you there to do, just like play can everybody and be a loser Are you there to be a winner. Yes, you're in the arena. But have you stopped going to therapy after realizing illinating, What's up with this sudden interest in retard maxing. Are you like the clvicular for retard maxing. No, the world finally caught up with me. That's it. What do you, I mean, I've been retard maxing this whole time.They just didn't have a name for it, guys. E like videos are really good. I watched two more this week.😊What take us through what's so appealing about not ruminating smoking a cigar and just living your life, because what he says actually works at every level of.Society and every sort of thing that you may want to achieve, even if you're trying to like, climb the rungs.You very quickly learned that the more you want something, the less you're going to get it.And I think that's like his real message is let go live life and just try stuff or don't try stuff. And I think that that detachment is really healthy for people.I like it. I like it a lot. Who's the guy who says this. I actually didn't know Elisha long, But Eli, I think, is how he goes by.😊But he's fantastic. He Mark he got a YouTube channel. Mark had recently found him.And he's like this is this guy is the new guy. Moern day philosopher. He gives you a road mapap for how to live your life, right, New age S. What's the name of the guy, the character's name from Dunne. I was into girls Oh the liison was dating girls. He's the liison Al Gaib of the modern Internet. This is why we need freeberg here is to explain these deeps. All right, listen, we got a lot to get to the basic point is build something and don't ruminate. Okay, ruminating is just not it just everybody.😊Go, just do stuff. stop blathering in your own head. Just do stuff. absolutely. All right, listen, speakingea of doing stuff. Anthropic is withholding its newest model, Beos. I'm using the Greek pronunciation. Its newest model, Methos, saying it is far too dangerous for any of us to have access to it. According to the company. The model autonomously found thousands of vulnerabilities, including bugs in every major operating system in web browser.This little study they did included 20 year old exploits that had been missed by security audits for decades. Some examples, they found a 27 year old vulnerability in open BSD.Used in firewalls and critical infrastructure, they found a 16 year old bug in FF Mg that was missed by automated tools after 5 million scans.🎼The Linux kernel, all kinds of bugs they found. They released a hype video hypping up why they were not going to share this model. Here's Dario. Come on the program any time, brother. But it' a side effect of being good ...（已截断）

🎼The Joe Rogan experience during my day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day.😊と。ま. We're back in action.やばい。We were just talking it. I saw to get off. I told Rao say this for the air because Roo years ago, shit, this had to be like at least 10 years ago. May ,20 was like 2006,2000 So 20 years ago, Roo calls me, but he says Tommy Lee wants to meet you. He wants to talk to you about something, Okay, sure. So we go to see his concert. That was when he was rock and roll supernova. TV show. That's right. So had a TV show was in Long Beach right, right, you and Eddie came. Eddie Bravo came. And then.Afterwards, first of all, Tommy Lee has the dopeist green room. Like he sets his green room up like has a map I was party. He's got like tapestries on the wall and candles and lights. Yeah, you walking like damn, like he doesn't just. Yeah, he doesn't just walk into a cold green room. Like I'm wait at it. Yeah, if I go on the road. and I just what's your green room. I' go hang out in there.'s like it doesn't just walk, but he has it set up. like everywhere is like calm and relaxing. It's spiritual and so I meet Tommy. and Tommy wants.fight kid rock in the UFC. this was true. What makes people think they can do this. It's what Pam Andon's hot. Well wait, this is how that started. This is kind of how it started. That was that way with Pam. Like, you know, they both were married to her, so.😊Tommy and her always going to be connected because of the kids. So she had split up with Kid Rock. and Kid Rock was emailing her text in her. I guess, you know, still trying to get with her. Tommy is with her.Not together, but, you know, they were together that day. And he' she askeds him, you know, your friends with him, can you call him and tell him to stop Call me and shit. And Tommy's like, I don't want to get in the middle of that shit.. And she's like, you know, if, you know, please. So he winds up hitting, you know, him up and like, look, dude. you know, I don't really want to make this call. blah, blah, blah. Of course, Ki Rock took the heat. F you. You know, blah, blah sort of fucking each other back and forth.😡Goes away.Now.There were some MTV awards thing.And actually, let me back up first. We were in Vegas for a New Year's thing. And there was this rumor that Kid Rock was supposed to come with his bodyguard. And like and come to Tommy's room and attack. So me, my man, chmo, who, you know, as well. You know, we're sleeping in Tommy's room hoping they show up and.Of course, they go to a different room. They do go to a room, kick a door. and nothing totally for actually went looking for it.. I don't think they went looking for it. you I think it was a big public fucking beside some autographs and they keep it moving. So I'm saying to Tommy. I go, yo, dude. I go, fuck him. I go, you should fight him on paper view. Imagine all the money. I go, I'll fight his fucking security guy. Like, we'll fucking make a whole thing of it. And he goes, man, that's brilliant.Oh my so I go, I go, you know, I'm telling you, I said you should do. I said, look, either you fight him and you beat him up or he punks out and you win either way.And he's like, he's like, yeah, yeah, I like this. So he talks to his management. Of course, it just goes by the wayside while they're having some MTV awards shit.😊Security is not allowed on the floor there. They had their own, like, you know, it was in his casino. They have security for it while he's sitting in there with Pam. Kid Rock leg comes up kind of behind him and pokes him and Tommy sees him. and he goes to stand up and kid Rock suckers him. There Italy. I'm home. My phone is getting blown to fuck up. Like what with Tommy, What with Tommy. I'm like, I'm fucking no, like, I'm not with him right now. And.I get a call. I swear like 30 minutes later, and it's Tommy. And he's going, fuck him. He goes, I'm done with that motherfucker. I want to fight him. I want to fucking fight him now. I go, he, I want you to train me. I go, he goes, I'm want to move you out, I go no, You're moving to me. I go, we're not gonna to be out here with all your little fucking ass kissers. I said, if you're gonna to do it, you're really gonna do it. Is he working out it all the time. No, So, you know, if you only working out, he does on the drums, which he does murder. So.😡That is a little bit of. It. But I like a little bit punchy definitely. Yeah,, And I can show you a picture of him with a choke or me. And it's legit. Like he, he did train with Hoen. And he, I told you guys he trained some with Billy Bla, so.Billy I've talked about this on the real He was one of those like Raymond Daniels type point fighting time early days. He's a guy. He's a ty guy. but well get to that. right, Yeah, so get that. I bring him to Billy blank. I bring him in and not I told him, I said, look, when we're going to Long beach. I said, I know Rogan. I can have him come in and you can tell him your idea. and he goes all heart..😊I bring Joe and Eddieddy,...（已截断）