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一个 AI 创始人的虚荣心、装,和愚昧之巅|对谈 invoko.ai 创始人梦琪
1h 8m
2026/05/23
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.There's something there.🎼 🎼 哎,我们今天很开心请到了invo的创始人孟琪啊,那梦琪其实前两年在圈内也是蛮有名的人了,也融了蛮多钱是吧?别让我害怕,你先简单介绍一下资金了。好,我是梦琪,我大概是去年开始创业,我创业之前呢,其实做过蛮多奇怪的事儿。我其实做了几年to B在所谓的sars比较火的时候,做的to B的解决方案的工作。然后最近的几年,其实。😊做了一些to C的事在ttok,然后后面甚至还做过一年HR。我自己的感觉是我因为很早的时候我就理解我可能要创业,所以一直都报了一种我能多学点多学点,学完了以后最好用的这个心态。嗯哦你是去年才出来的是吧?对,其实我创业就是再过一两周就一周年的时间了。OK所以还是AI世界的时间觉得过得很快,我都觉得你创业很久了。但你这一年你可能是在讽刺我没有没有真的真的真的,但你这一年其实就是。我玩了很多这几年软件AI创业者的流程,对吧?我总结一下,现在软件创业者就是尤其是去年和前年那一波字节背景,然后可能高P啊或怎么样的,然后组了一个很好团队,讲了一个当下AI比较流行的故事。比如你那个时候可能是agent的对吧?产品出来钱呢,可能就融好几门钱,然后就把钱融上来。然后就开始P对吧很多公司是这样的啊,或者说开可能出了一个小产品,这个小产品呢可能不。不温不火,也能赚点钱。然后在后面新的概念出来呢,可能随时的又去做一些新产品,不断的尝试,大概是这么一个过程。我觉得我说这个可能很多人会对号入座,但确实这个是一个很典型的一个流程。然后到今天我觉得是过去几年里面,软件行业的一个低点。但23年肯定是很低的。24年的下半年也很低。今天的第一跟内容还不太一样。因为我觉得23年的第一是整个行业的低,就谁都低。24。😊也有点类似。但24年其实巨深还是蛮热的。然后25年巨深就非常热了,AI硬件也起来了。而且25年巨深市场热到,大家觉得说是不是泡沫太大了,很多人就开始质疑巨神,但没想到今年巨神批去年还要在在今年的软件不如去年热。我觉得你一开始说这也就把我加在火上烤。因为这个大家都在火上。现在我们也在火上,因为很多人看我们博客,你知道我们是做软件为主嘛,对吧?都不是软件为主,基本上全是软件。巨深什么的都纯从播客来讲,我们聚深一起都没有放过。嗯,首先我觉得软件行业特别惨。其实你看二级市场的股价你能看出来就特别惨的一个市场。然后你刚刚说的那个我现在融一大笔钱,正好我今天穿了mus的上衣,我也不知道为什么,反正今天出门,我就捞了这件很舒适的T恤出门,我觉得去年从5月份及以后,融到大钱的软件的创始人都应该给ms科一个,因为是他让A的这个事是。在国内有人愿意去看,愿意去投。其实那一批做agent的公司。说实话很多都是to agentto agent请其实本质上没有区别,就你产品不一样,但你商业模式有什么区别?你最后还是舔那些老邓,然后让大家来买你的产品,他在流程上商业模式上没有太大的创新。那就是产品不一样嘛。然后你就能拿更多的钱拿特别高的估值,就真的说来翻来覆去,我觉得就是改谢,然后既然说到再说另外。😊一个点就是所有的软件,我其实大概在今年23月份的时候,我都有点扛不住了。因为我不知道做什么,因为做什么我都觉得好像你都回答不了你跟cloud code的区别是什么?你都回答不了可干你这个事,你该怎么办?你甚人都回答不了clo的生态内有一个这个生态里的人,他就莫名其妙想干你这个事儿,做个s想干你你回答不了这样的问题,因为就是没有一个站得住脚的,你一定有。独特的差异化独特的核心竞争力。你没有一个回答这个问题,完美的逻辑。就以我2月份的时候,3月份时候觉得我要死了,我就做软件的就是脑子进水了。我当时非要做软件。不对但你看你其实这里面一个核心的节点,就是ingAI的这个起来,但去年的同期,其实它还没有这么明显,对吧?大家其实还不会有这个质疑说是不是大家随便用什么ski都行。那个时候是不是刚MCP出来呀,我都不太记得,反正那个时候大家不会有像今天这么强质疑说模。😊就能干一切对吧?或者说就是几个人用一个ski,可能两周就能做一个之前可能半年做的产品出来。是我觉得coing变强这个事情是指数级的变强了,这种推背感是特别特别强烈的,甚至我年初的时候跟openI的同事聊,他跟我说,去年年底的时候,他们还不太用。到了今年明显是今年2月份的时候,他们说在openI内部他是做post training的post training80%的代码是A正写。嗯但他也在感慨,感觉他自己也并没有。变得更轻松了,因为要做的事变得更多了。所以这种就我也替我们这个行业的创业者,包括我自己晚了尊,确实没有人能预料到模型的发展,发展到如此之强大,以至于你所有的软件的逻辑。好像一周以内确实能搓出一个跟别人差不多的东西。但是啊我还是想再讲一个相反的逻辑。这是一个逻辑上推定起来,特别顺理成章了。甚至你今天新出来的创业者被投资人质疑的问题,都是我谁谁用什么多长时间就能把你这些事干了谁谁谁就很简单。但。😊你真的仔细去回想,在这一年里面,所有做过PR的软件的公司,这里面这个产品能用的用起来不挂的,顺畅的在你电脑上能玩起来不到10%。嗯,所以为什么今天正好穿minus的这个事情说了这么久,包括minus刚出来的时候,大家说哎这以前发过两年前我就说过一年前我就说过这很难吗?这很简单呀?不就是给他一个沙箱。但到今天为止,minus出来一年多了,谁能做到像minus这样。工程质量上在稳定性上能做的比较好的。其实你看就ma,我觉得这个市场还挺有品牌效应的,可能我都不会试第三个了。对你这个正好讲的是第二个问题,我们刚才讨论一些就是模型本身变强造成的影响。但其实背后我觉得当下的软件颓势,其实就是两个点,一个是模型太强了,对吧?大家都觉得软件不行了,但我觉得这个就是个过程。嗯,怎么讲呢?就我对这个事是乐观的。我觉得没有什么时候是一家公司可以知道。这么大市场的,这得里面一定是有机会的。但另外一个问题我确实也挺难解释的。我觉得正好你做的这一年也可以讲一讲,就你该提的问题。如果AI这么强,如果AI coding这么强,产品这么好做,为什么过去比如说一年过去三年真正出来的,大家认可的产品仍然是非常非常少。我自己有一个理论吧,我觉得大部分的产品是没有体验而言的?就是哪怕你是个rapper都没有体验而言,这是我用了大部分的产品的感受。对,就是你刚才讲的什么稳定性啊,什么知识类各种问题嘛,对吧?对,甚至我这个行业其实我自己用下来的感受是诈骗公司特别多。然后他所讲的,他能帮你去抵ele本的价值和你自己用下来那个价值可能就不匹配的。所以这个行业里面有些产品火了,非常应该。因为这个产品人家能底本他说的那个价值,不是因为他做的多么多么多么有一个多么独一无二的idea,甚至我有一个比较悲观的。我过年信息化写了一篇文章,复盘我们过去半年的创业。我觉得未来就是全品牌,就所有的赛道。😊都是名牌,没有一个是你能想到我想不到的idea,根本就不可能存在这样的事儿。那就是在名牌的赛道里面,每一个赛道里面可能会有一家真的在乎体验,真的会做产品的公司出来。这个是我乐观的部分,就每个赛道都有机会。但我悲观的部分就是哇真的好难去。去有一个特别明显的特别特别大的这个的差异化。,但我觉得事实上不是这样的呀,事实上就是大言能用的产品很少。就如果是你说的这个前提的话,应该是现在市面上一堆产品,大家都在用,对吧?那那我们可以说很难差异化。那现在事实上就是比如说我觉得可以以你自己公司为例,对吧?你们也做了一年左右的时间,而且你们之前是也转型过好几次,对吧?我觉得这个也很正常,现在公司基本上没有不转型的但这个过程中到底。发生了什么?就你们一开始定的方向,为什么最后没有发出来,或者为什么要转型?然后你们中间应该有些小的产品是发过的对吧?那发过的,他为什么没有做起来之类的,我们在成立之前其实是做了一个决策,就你是做general agent还是做垂直agent。我们当时在成立之前就决定要做ver agent原因很简单,就觉得general好拥挤啊,那会儿已经有第18个us出现了,我们不想再加入这个混战,我们当时有几个角色做的特别坚定,觉得我太英明神武了,我逻辑上太自洽。我太聪明了,这个逻辑怎么说怎么对,但后面发现那些所谓的特别对的角色都是错的。第一个错的角色就是我们决定做了 verticalical。😊决定做这个ver以后呢,就想着那你得做哪个ver嘛。我当时特别想做surcing agent大白话就找人 agent,你是一个品牌,你想给你自己找达人,我们当时在想你找明白达人了,你就能找明白候选人,你也能找明白专家,甚至能找明白你的客户在哪。所以我们会认为scing是一层比较能泛化的有场景迁移程度的一个场景。那我们在这里面我们先选一个,我们先开始做。所以当时我我打断一下啊,就是我听到这,我有个很深的感触,就是你刚才说差异化的那个事情。我觉得现在没有差异化的不是产品,是叙事。就是你刚才在讲这个,包括很多人现在如果跟我过来讲说他要做个什么事情,我都会觉得这个事我已经听了好几年了。是,然后最后没有人做出来,对吧?实现在很蛮大街的事对很多人在做在讲,然后过去几年一直有人在讲,但问题就是没有人能做出来好的结果不好意思然后这也是个错误决定后面会想为什么这个事情是绝对不成立的我们当时选达人营销我们说好那我们选一个嘛,先把达人找明白,我们就开始做。然后。做了两个月,我们也上线了,得到了一些反馈,用户有一些这个沟通。然后我们当时又做了一个分差,因为两类人会给你反馈,一类是创始人嘛,就我现在需要我产品做增长,那会找你给你提我的需求,用你的产品。第二类呢是公司负责达人这个事情的人,负责营销的这个人。第二类,我们管叫专业用户。第一类呢,我们就管他叫非专业用户。因为创始人他不可能是全职做达人的那我们当时有一个分叉,说两边都给你提需求,你听谁的,他们俩提需还真的完全不一样。创始人说你别跟。跟我说中间你这个产品需要我点什么,按什么,我什么也没要按,你给我结果专业用户说不行啊,你这中间你可审级,中间这一步需要我确认一下,你才能进行怎么怎么样。这些指标我要自己去定义,我要自己去筛选。两类人给你的需求完全不一样。那当时我觉得也是市场上非常非常火的一个概念,叫做你要想办法去蒸馏一些所谓的专家的经验和知识蒸出来之后呢,我们这个产品以后就能服务非专业的人。其实本质上是把一些高认知的能力浓缩成一个产品,把这个产品。😊卖给非高认知。好,又过了一两个月,我们继续做这个产品。然后突然有一天发现这玩意长的就是sars。我甚至对比了一下,它就是我们这个行业里面8年前开始创业ss公司的产品的长相。那我那刻就觉得完蛋了。你说你要创业,结果你创了半天呢,你自己是没有高质量数据的。你要用人家的API人家洗过这些数,然后做了一个跟人家差不多的界面就纯属脑子有病。那等于就是把人家ss走过路,我就走了一遍,然后我们就想这个问题到底出在哪儿?我们也是一个很听用户。反馈的呀,我们也是这个对需求理解的还挺深的人,团队也非常的给力。为什么会出现这样的情况?我觉得第一个点是,如果我们当时就选定了服务专业用户,你就是在给专业用户做一个工具,我们说一个更直白的例子,你再给一个专业的剪辑师,你问他你需要一个什么样的A帧,他会给你一直提需求。直到你找得跟阿朵比差不多,然后他才会收手,说好,我不提了啊,这产品已经满足我需求了。因为他的过程的把控非常的严谨。😊这是第一个,我觉得它必然走向ss,这没办法。甚至我当时觉得我们这个产品还不如原来那ss产品加个AI的当时的那些sars竞品都是ss产品,右边加一个弹出来的一个bar,然后在这把里面去问一些AI的问题。嗯,这是第一个原因。第二个原因就是我觉得我们当时做那个事就不成立,不成立的这个点也挺清晰的。你今天想用AI来解决surcing的问题,但其实你认真去看这个行业的用户的需求的话,其实scing占到他们工作的可能30%,等于是你在巨大的一个价值链条上,你选了一个对于AI来说的low行业。那后面的来回来去的聊这个过程最浪费时间的。最浪费人力的这个事情其实是被ip掉了。然...(已截断)
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Vol.227 快人慢人松人紧人,谁才是人中龙凤?
56m
2026/05/23
📝 AI
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🎼 我好大辛苦。ああ。あれ?🎼风你不经。你是报高都圆不眩。🎼看死好了吗。hello,大家好,欢迎收听美理想编辑部,我是林来,我是乔木,我是思珍。今天我们迎来了一位新的朋友,是我们应从隔壁音频部拉来的好伙伴。音频编辑林慧可以请林慧跟我们打个招呼吗?hello,我是林慧。为什么会组成这么样的一个局呢?是因为我们今天的这个主题呢?叫快人慢人松人井人。其实呢就是一个类似于MBTI的这么一个题吧,然后像是一种延展,我们通过快慢松紧四个维度来评。一评我们是怎么样的一种人,也是为了要主打个平衡,特地找来了MVT应该是ISFP来给我们P人撑场了是吧?至于大家吃那个什么人,我们待会儿再来接。我现在都觉得难以置信。整个编辑部除了我以外,没有第二个P人。其实这个松人井人这个概念,最早呢是从我们的好邻居好友才,就是what you need那边听过来的,他们也是觉得非常好的,说我们可以来聊这个东西,所以我们今天。😊就来聊聊快人慢人送人井人。那我们就直接进入自选环节。快人慢人送人井人,你会自评为什么人呢?我自评是快紧人,我已经没有任何疑问以及其他的可能,我就是快紧人。哇好斩钉截铁的一个答案,我的回答是最长的,因为我还蛮犹疑的,我看见就那个来说要聊快慢松紧的时候,我脑子里出来了一个我的理想。人格就是懒洋洋来的。我很想他那句话,我在家里睡觉就不会被打扰了。就那句话,我是先去问了我妈,我妈说我是慢松人,这个答案我有些意外。因为我本来以为我最近还蛮紧的。然后我朋友说我是会计人,他说可能是因为我的那个工作人格是会计,所以我自评是外检内松人。我当时听到这个题的时候,我先确定的是我一定是快人。我就每天都是急急急急急快快快快快,赶紧的做好。😊做完在景和松之间,我犹豫了一下,我最后还是选了松人。我觉得可能是今年年初开始,我慢慢的变成了松人,所以我就自评为快松人。我本来以为一定会有慢松人,结果好像没有一个斩钉截铁的慢松人,让我觉得天哪,这个社会对我们做了什么,难道慢松人都被社会化筛选掉了吗?就是这一层的人格他就是慢慢。被吞噬掉,然后大家不得不变成一个紧紧的人。是,但是其实我比较理解我妈为什么说我是慢松人。因为他说就是我做任何事情,想让我急起来,那是不可能的。所以他再催我的话,可能我就百烂不做了。嗯,但是就是想要一直松下去,我觉得是很难保持了。他是一个理想的人格状态。你只要被卷入具体的社会事件当中,你就很难让自己始终保持慢。哎,那我们就来讲讲我们这个自定义的原因吧。。先说我这个会挤人的一个日常的表征,就是在于我经常在地铁啊路上啊,就很想要超车呃,不对,其实超人了,就我总会嫌别人走的太慢。如果我看到走的很快的人,其实我是有点想跟上的。同时呢我蛮难很松弛的开展一项兴趣爱好。这个东西我是得做心理建设,就是我并不能天然的松弛的去接触一项兴趣爱好。我同。这个蓝是非常有竞技精神的一个人,对自己体育竞技的状态要求很高。你何出此言,就是我跟他去攀演过,他就是很有奥林匹克竞技精神的一个人。我觉得大家状态应该都是这样吧,你出去锻炼,你只要锻炼到了就好了呀。但是那个蓝是属于对自己的竞技结果很有要求。就比如我这次V21定要磕下一个,我才可以体面的走出这个攀岩馆。天哪,我感觉在。兴趣爱好上我就是那种3分钟热度,就是我很难培养兴趣爱好。我一般就是进入他。然后要是我得不到正反客,我就迅速的退出。比如说假如说之后去攀岩那种,如果我没有办法攀上去,我就说O这个项目我放弃,我会觉得无论如何,我出汗了。我的环合上了。嗯,那我今天我就达成了我想要的东西,我就可以走出这里了。之前反正我数不多跟吴师傅一起攀岩的一次,吴师傅已经结。住了他的一天,非常的完美拍完了。然后我还在那说,让我再试一把,然后我说了三次,我都没有爬完,因为一直爬不过那条线嘛,就开始陷入执着,就是依依不舍的走了。因为55已经在那等了我,我又想起来那个篮就属于游泳的时候还会学习富园慧教学视频。妈呀,进行这个你要冲刺几分钟来着,1千米半小时就是3。对对对,1千米冲刺半小时,而且还必须是50米迟,不能是25米。对啊,你看我就说这是就非常有奥林匹克竞济精神。那你在上学的时候面对考试会这样吗?不会,我刚就想说这点,因为发现自己脑子不太行,没有说这道数学题我做不完。我今天必须要把它解完,我才回家,我会早早的放弃。我觉得可能还是在运动或者是用身体方面的一些事儿上能得到一些正反馈吧。但如果是完全更刚开始就得不到任何正反馈的东西就会早早的走掉。但。😊其实可能对于另外一些事儿来说,我对象就说我慢减人。因为我在一些决策上其实做的非常慢。但我觉得他说的也有道理,就我可能是在一些更大的事儿上面。就比如说我要不要搬城市,我要不要买车这种事儿,我其实决定的很慢,他就日常生活中是个快简人啊,更宏观层面的生活抉择上,其实决定的非常的慢。你们呢我感觉你聊完之后,我可以认领慢松人,已经找到了反面,就是。通过反面来定义自己的坐标系到底是怎样的。我跟林慧有点像是我也容易3分钟热度。就如果对一个东西感兴趣的话,我把它祖坟研究透了之后,我就对他不感兴趣了。所以就有点像是在这个地方打了一个桩子,我就去下一个地方打桩,觉得我本质可能是属于那种我做很多事情是有一个差不多就得了的心态,就原来考试的时候,我一考前十名。然后至于前十里的第几就随便了。本质上可。可能会有一点难举起来,就是拿最常见的一个例子。比如说赶飞机,赶高铁。我如果真的确定自己我迟到了,那就爱谁谁了,我可能会到现场再看改签或者怎样。但是如果过程当中有人催我,就希望我赶紧快一点,那我就绝不会快一点,我一定会按我节奏来,我不会受其他人催我,而且其他人越催我,我可能会越按我自己的节奏来,就是因为我妈还是一个百分之百的快进人。我跟她一起出门的话,走路,她走路。走着就抄我一截,知道吗?我我走他走着走着就出去了,然后我就说你要去哪儿啊,就是去我们要去的那个地方。因为我也会这样,我说你去哪儿,就是VR又高兴,然后我就会把他拽回来,过一会儿他就又出去了,因为前面就有路,所以会计人就会比来走啊,对因为之前好像有有一次我忘了是不是下班,我们要去聚餐之类的,本来就是我们一堆人要去嘛,我的工作可能先做完。剩下的人还有一些事儿要处理。我就说那我们分批去。对呀,不然呢,嘉瑞他后面跟我说,他也不是说我绝情还是啥。他的意思就是说,其实就是在等个10分钟而已,那个吃饭的地方该有位置,他还是会有位置,没位置就是排队嘛,他不会因为这10分钟有巨大改变。但是在那个时候就是说那我们先在分批打车去,可能是我跟吴师傅就我们先走。对,就应该有空的人早走啊,这样早到的人还能先点上菜然后大家到了可以直接吃。虽然我们后面也不赶时间,但是对于这种时间。合理利用有一种迷恋,我也是我也是我比较理解嘉瑞一个想法,就是你们要这样做,那也行吧,就是有点没必要,但也行。是是是,尊重就是一个尊重的感觉。但我确实本质上就是希望能够按照自己的节奏来,不是一个太快的人。但是如果人很多的话,我也会走很快。因为就是想到一个没什么人的地方,就是地铁里面很多人涌过来的时候,我就会很想要快快走掉。然后松就是本质上是向往。松以及觉得自己应该松的。我觉得是随着人的成长吧。当你发现有些东西是你产生了欲望,或者是想要钻研的时候,你会不自觉的紧起来,你就很难保持一个松的状态。那您会累,我感觉我是你们俩的结合版,对我的胯可能是为了松,其实包括赶高铁或者飞机,我一般也是会比较早到,但是也不是说想要赶紧做些什么事儿,我只是想要在机场放松,就是我觉得那种被时间追逐的感觉,会让我。觉很紧张,但紧张状态就不是我安全的状态,我就会想要快点做起来。做完之后就可以更放心的放松。我之前是挺紧的一个人会花很多的力气,通过不断的做事情来让我获得安全吧。但是我后来今年年初过去一年吧,这个经历让我发现其实有些时候你不做事儿也没关系,就是有些事情你不做到特别的周密,或者说你不把自己生活安排那么满,好像也可以活下来。当我意识到这点之后。😊感觉顿悟了,我就不再给自己安排那么多事儿了,可以放松一些,不需要每天都那么忙。我觉得快这事情上我自己的感受是可能它不是效率的问题,是我感受到和我开启行动之间的那个时间距离。我是那种想到什么就会说什么。有什么想法就会马上的做马上的付诸时间。时间如果说有正反馈了,就像刚刚说一样,我就会继续做下去。但如果一旦我得不到正反馈,我就会快速的放弃。找到下一个想要去付出时间的念头。我是这样的人,突然觉得我们在这个呃MVTI里面引入快人慢人送人井人还是很有必要的。这个批人也是有不同的有不同的松法。我刚刚就感觉到,哎为我是属于那种事情越紧急,我越慢的人,他越急,好像这个事情很怎样怎样,我的心理速度就会越慢,我不知道是有一种刻意还是怎样,我感觉你是不是你的一个基本原则是你要保持自己的节奏,当一个事儿他越来越急了。其实。他是有点在打乱你的节奏。所以这个时候你就会产生一种类似于对抗,或者就是往回拽的一个声音。嗯,之前上学的时候,考试前一天我绝对啥也不怕,那么让我们来欢迎另外一位毫无犹豫的自称为快警人的吴师傅来评鉴一下,我前一阵刷下小红书才意识到,就可能不是所有人都有这个习惯。他那个描述的应该也是一个类似的快景人人格吧。嗯就是说一生都在倒推时间。就比如我会前一天晚上躺在床。开始想。第二天如果不是上班的话啊,我第二天要什么时候到那个地方,路程是一个小时,所以我要几点出门,我要几点起来吃早饭,几点洗澡。然后那意味着我要几点起床,然后把这些一个都倒退之后说哦,好的,有一个闹铃睡了,这是常见嘛。所以呃病多,我摇了摇,再摇头,我也会这么做,但是我并不是一个自动程序,我更多的是可能我比如说明天有这种运动的安排,嗯,我不得不去。怎么倒退,他不是一个非常自动程序和我很享受做的事情,我会对这种很震惊。对面两位都表示了震情不解。之前有一次我跟吴师傅有一次合作嘛,我就看到了吴师傅的文档,我就发出了就在公位上发出沉默的尖叫,不是说不好,我只是很震惊,有人可以做的这么的细致和周密和非常有道理。,我会佩服的五体投地,但是我就是会停在震惊上,我知道我做不到这个事情。然后我觉得有人可以做到这样。我觉得好厉害呀,唤起了我古早的一个回忆。应该是有一回呃我英语考句号,所以就是有那种分享会,它是整个年级的那种。但是不只是我还有一些人大家一起分享嘛。我的分享稿,我写在一张草稿纸上的几个关键词,想了一遍,我要怎么怎么说,自己顺了一下,我就这样去了,发现其他的人都有PPT我整个人就是被暴击,我就没想过,我也要做1个PPT其实他们有人写逐字稿,那应该是我人生当中第一次意识到竹字稿。这种东西存在,我不知道这个东西可以一个字一个字的写下来。我不是再次夸或者怎样,而是说就是那个程序他没植入到我的脑袋里。我就觉得人人都是靠几个关键词行走天下的。我觉得可能是有的人他对于精确度是有要求或者是他有安全感的一种方式。比如说我之前也震惊过,就像我们那个副总瑞森,他做述职的时候,你本来以为他都是公司高层,他爱说啥,他自说啥。但其实他。😊做述值的时候,他是有竹子稿的。他就说如果不写的话,他不知道自己该说啥,就是有些人会对这个精确度有一定的依赖,这个东西能给他一个安全感。就是说到竹字稿这件事情,我突然间有了一个对自己紧还是松的反思。我以前录播课的时候,我是会写竹子稿。但现在我就不太会了。如果是在一个我不是很熟悉,然后不是很安全的一个环境里面,我就是一个蛮紧的人,我就会想要通过像竹子稿这样的方式来获得安全。但是如果说一旦我感受到这个环境是比较安全的,我说什么也都OK就不会遭受评判,我就不太会去那么的紧,就不会写逐字稿。所以我觉得可能还是跟我们自己对于外界环境的体察有关。如果是安全的话,可能我自己会更松一点点。嗯,我本来还想问吴师傅一个点,就是嗯不知道你们有没有看过网上有些帖子,他们会从一个俯拍的角度拍摄一些。堵车的图,然后你就会发现前面堵车原因莫名其妙。对对,不知道是为啥莫名其妙。其实前面那个路很空,但是很多车就是堵在了一个地方,我每次看到那种图,我就会无意义内心嚎叫,我会对这个很难受。像这个东西他也会应用在我的日常生活里面,就包括这种走路的。这以为什么我说很能理解那个思真的妈妈,就因为前面的路他就是通常的,所...(已截断)
Modern Wisdom
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The New Way Of The Superior Man - David Deida (1st interview in a decade) - #1101
1h 24m
2026/05/23
📝 AI
总结
Certain people, before we get into the episode, I wanted to give you a disclaimer. David didn't show his face when we were recording. David's a pretty esoteric guy, decided that he's going to retreat from the world. He's living in a house in the middle of nowhere in Florida, I think and.Even though it might have been nice to have seen his face, it's completely on brand. So we've tried to make it as engaging as possible. I hope you enjoy the episode.😊What is a man of0.Well, to me, a man of 0 is somebody who has come to the point in their life where.Their motivation has evaporated or isn't there. they feel they still may be very active. They may be, you know, married. They may have children. They may have businesses. They may be creative. But under it all, there's just a feeling like.Why am I doing this And part of me would rather not do anything kind of feeling. And I noticed a lot of men feeling that I was interacting with over the years. And so I wanted to address that, Is this the next stage after the superior man, Is this a spiritual sequel to the way of the superior man.It's a kind of sequel, but it's not necessarily a stage progression. So somebody might go into the phase. I'll use the word phase of a man of 0.And then, after.A month, a year, a decade, whatever they may come back to being the superior man. to me, what a superior man is, is a man who is motivated by a.Deep sense of purpose. And that sense of purpose might be to discover their purpose, but they're motivated by a sense of purpose.Often to serve the world or to, to give their gift or to to make things right and.When that evaporates or when they no longer feel that, That's the beginning of the phase of the man of 0. Now, it may last.A very short time may last long time. The men of zero phase. So they may eventually go back to, oh, a new purpose. For instance, For myself, this book emerged out of nowhere as a kind of, oh, I should write this book. I need to write this book. So it just came out of nowhere. And then, you know, the discipline of writing a book of, working with publishers and all of that. that takes effort. So that came up. You know, I was working.😀As kind of a superior man phase for a while. And we'll see if I could get through this interview without resting back. Okay, if you, if you degenerate in a total apathy, will'll know that you've gone back in the amount of0 phase. It's not exactly apathy. I'm glad you said that. It's a kind of.😊It's a clarity. It's pure presence. It's pure awareness. It's being absolutely present with the moment, but just not having an urge to.Push and change things like you're deeply content with the way things are, but that doesn't stop you from changing things. It just means you're not stressed. You know, most men have a kind of kernel of stress and their gut or their heart or their so plexus that moves them to do something, Well, the man of zero is, What happens when that stress isn't there, What are you move to do, Like, how does the universe use you, How does you know, that deep.Berth thing that's beyond. You move through you because in the superior man phase.1 is motivated, mostly by.Their personal sense of purpose, rather than being.Kind of used by something or much larger if shape, if size even has a meaning.I think it doesn't exactly paint a very flattering picture of where most people's striving comes from.You know?What doesn't paint the fluttering picture, The fact that when you get to this restful, no longer needing to prove yourself, you notice how much of your ambition and your pushing seems to fall away. What that would suggest is that without some of the.Dribes needs for validation and recognition, past patterns that are pupping you.Maybe you wouldn't be pushing quite so much.Definitely, but I don't think that's a negative thing. That's just a.An evolutionvolution, a way of growth. I mean, some of the, some of my favorite music, say was probably created by artists who are doing it so they could get laid. You know, like there're, some sometimes people do something for money, but it's really a work of art. It's really a beautiful thing that they're creating. Some people have a sense of lack of self worth. Let's say that they inherited from their childhood.And yet, that lack of self worth motivates them to create real art, really beauty on earth, real beauty on earth. So it's not necessarily a negative thing that people are motivated. It's just at some point, I wanted to account for what happens when those motivations are no longer sufficient to move you. I agree. the world is shaped by people trying to prove themselves to themselves and others. And yes, much of that motivation is running away from something that you fear, not just towards something that you want. It's trying to.Disprove your doubters or critics or alchemize that chip on your shoulder. And the world will become fundamentally a better place. But I think when you start to look at it from.The perspective of the individual, t...(已截断)
Dwarkesh Podcast
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Why do GPUs, TPUs, & the human brain look the way they do? – Reiner Pope
80m 20s
2026/05/24
📝 AI
总结
I'm back with Reiner Pope, who is the CEO of Madex, which is a new AI chip company. Last time we were talking about what happens inside a data center. Now I can understand what happens inside an AI chip. How does a chip actually work for disclosure. By the way, I am an angel investor in Madex. So hopefully, you have designed a good chip.So I'll start with sort of the very smallest fundamental unit of, of chip design. then we'll sort of build up into what an overall like actual production chip. What are the components of that., at the very bottom level of a chip. The primitives that we work with are logic gates, which are very simple things like and or not. And then these are connected together by by wires that have to be laid out physically as metal traces on a chip.😊The main function that that AI chips want to compute is multiplication of matrices. And really inside that is the fundamental primitive is multiply accumulative, just like of pair of numbers.So we're going to sort of demonstrate what that calculation looks like by hand.And then sort of infer what what a circuit would look like for that.It'll turn out to be sort of easiest if I do multiplication accumulated something like a4 bit number with another four bit number.And then we're going to, the actual clearest primitive is actually multiply accumulates. So as's a multiply.These two terms. And then we're going to add in.So product of these two terms.And then we're going to add in an eight pitch number.And can ask a clarifying question, Why is this the.Natural primitive for.You know, whatever computation happens inside that computer. Yeah, so there's a few reasons for this. it's a little bit more efficient. But the the reason it's natural for AI chips is that if you look what's happening during a matrix multiply the what is matrix multiply in very short, it is.There's a fall loop over I.And over J,.And over.Of.Output.I k.Plusas, equals to input.IH A times.Other inputs, JK.And so multiply accumulate happens at every single step of matrix multiply. And then the other observation is that the precision will almost always be higher in the accumulation step than in the multiplication step. This is maybe specific to AI chips. But you're multilying low precision numbers. But then when you accumulate errors accumulate quickly. And so you need more precision here. So this is why we've chosen to do a four bit multiplication in an8 bit addition. Let me make sure understood that there's two ways to understand that one is that.Value will be larger than the inputs. And the other is that.If it was a floating point number, it would be maybe that that part is like less intuitive to me, but it's maybe the same principle. It is really the same principle. I guess the sort, I mean, I guess the separate principle is that.As you are summing up this number, you are summing up a whole bunch of numbers. And so you've got a lot of rounding errors accumulating. Where in this case, theres like there's, there's only one multiplication in that chain. And so there's not a lot of rounding errors accumulating in the multiplication. Why is something of a whole bunch of numbers is just two numbers. Just, I mean, this summation happens. It's repeated I. So yeah, any errors accumulate, I see, So how would we perform this calculation by hand. I mean, as a human, we would probably separated into two. But we can sort of do it all in one.using long multiplication.So the multi term first, we're going to multiply this number that this four bit number here by every single bit position in the other four bit number.So we write that out. first,1,0,0,1, multiplied by this pit position.嗯.That is this number itself.Then shift across by one. We're multiplying by 0. That give us an old zeros number.Shifted across even one more to multiply by this one.We get 1,0,0,1.And then finally, for this last bit position, we get an old zeros number again.So this, this sort of gives us a bunch of terms that we're going to have to add for the for the not. And then while we're doing that summation of this, we might as well add in the actual accumulator term as well. And so we just copy that directly across.So, so this is the sum. It's a, it's a five way sum that we're going to want to compute.So firstly,, what logic gates did it take us to even get to this intermediate step.We needed to produce all 16 of these partial products.How do I produce one of these partial products? So let's take this, this number one, for example here.It is one. So what was it, how do we produce this number by multiplying this number by this one over here.We can actually produce that by an end gauge. This, This number is one. If both this bit is one and this bit is one. If either of them is 0, then the multiplication of one times one of0 times anything is 0.So to produce all of this stuff, we ended up consuming 16 and gates.Or in the general case, if I were doing a I T.P bit, multiply.Times a Q.It multiply.Then this will be like P times Q,...(已截断)
纵横四海
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EP82《五次重置》:不想努力了怎么办?
4h 8m
2026/05/24
📝 AI
总结
🎼Splash. 🎼嗨大家好,欢迎来到纵横四海,我是谐影melody,我又来跟大家一起读书啦。本期要读的呢是五次重置,这是一本关于压力和倦怠,也就是burn now的书。压力跟职业倦怠已经是现代社会最大最普遍的两个问题了。几乎每个成年人,其实也包括很多未成年人都深陷其中。但是呢很多人根本就没有意识到或者没有充分意识到这是压力问题。因为压力在每个人身上的表现。形式可能很不一样。我们这期不是也做了问题征集吗?有很多很多压力的表现形式。比如说有人就觉得说我的问题是压力越大的时候,我就越不肯干活,非得要到呆难之前熬通宵,又有人说压力大到上班好像也没有干什么事儿,但是就是下班之后感觉整个人被抽干了,连下班之后想要去放松一下的力气都没有。那还有人说,虽然我觉得我的工作很不错吧。但是我每天工作的时候,我都在等下班。😊等周末等假期我就是不想待在工作上了。那甚至更有到了burnout阶段的朋友说,其实我都已经不仅仅是讨厌工作了,我已经讨厌这样活着,一边觉得自己应该努力,一边厌倦所有的努力,我觉得这就是压力最危险的地方,就是他的表现形式实在是太多元了,以至于大家根本就没有意识到这些其实全是压力问题。而且由于我们太习惯于身边的人都有这样的问题。所以压力。不是突然之间有一天就把你记倒了,而是先让你把异常当成正常温水煮青蛙的,让你逐步的滑入自责跟困惑的漩涡。所以本期节目我想要通过我们彻底来认识一下压力跟学习管理压力的诸多技巧,打破关于压力的迷思,尤其是四开有毒的硬撑啊,坚韧神话,用5次大脑重置来帮助大家在这场全民斗争中取得胜利。不需要你改变外部的状况,我们就能够回到更松弛更愉快的生活状态。好,那感谢小雨伞为我们带来本期节目,小雨伞是我们的老朋友了啊,他是2013年就成立的全国性保险经济平台,至今已经有13年历史了,服务超过1500万用户,我真的很喜欢他们的服务。我自己的所有的保险跟配置都是通过小雨伞来完成的。他们有两个我特别欣赏的优点,就是明白买放心赔。明白。买背后其实是极高的服务专业度。那简单来说,就是你每次咨询的时候,他们都极其的耐心,花足时间来理解你的个性化诉求过程中没有任何的推销哦。在量身打造方案的过程中呢,又会把那些晦涩的概念跟条款拆解成清晰易懂的科普,让你彻底搞清楚,我为什么要这样配置。每个产品在我的生活中扮演了什么样的角色,就是沟通起来真的非常的丝滑跟舒爽。因为。我之前是在专业性服务的领域工作嘛,我对于专业性这件事情,无论是知识储备还是服务的颗粒度,我的要求都是非常高的。但是真的每次咨询小雨伞的表现都超出我的预期,说明背后是规范稳健的运营和多年积累的实力。这一点我是真的很佩服的那放心赔呢则是解决了我们最大的后顾之忧,理赔的时候不需要你自己一家家的跑了,小雨伞会帮你向多家保险公司一起递交材料。这种省心就能够极大消除。😊那种产品虽然好,但是理赔很繁琐的心理负担。本期节目我们会深入的讨论压力。其实很多人深陷压力泥潭,就是因为掉进了现代社会推崇的那种复衍力神话,坚韧神话里觉得一切都要靠自己硬扛,觉得成功就来自于这种高要求跟不放松。但是这种强撑着告诉自己,我可以的模式才是最危险的。真正成熟健康的压力管理,不是盲目相信自己能承担更多痛苦。而是诚实的承认自己的有限性,承认人生的脆弱性,懂得利用外部的工具为自己兜底是吧?所以当我们需要暂停,需要彻底休息的时候,你看重疾险跟医疗险能让我们有底气停下来呀。当生存焦虑抬头的时候,年金险这种强制储蓄,能让我们在当下就感受到我们为未来准备的安全感啊。当我们因为缺乏稳健投资而焦虑的时候呢,小雨伞介绍的多元储蓄跟理财。来计划也能帮我们平复心绪,拓宽选择,更容易迈出小心翼翼的第一步的那现代人的压力也有很大一部分是来自于家庭责任,比如照顾年迈的父母啊,支持子女的教育啊,小雨伞提供的个性化方案能覆盖不同的家庭责任需求,成为家庭任性网络的一环,确保无论发生什么事情,家庭生活都不至于脱轨。那只有后防线稳了,我们才能够更安静的在前场实现梦想呀。怎么说呢?只是面对。😊压力身心药重置保险要配置啊,所以强烈推荐大家去小雨伞做个咨询哦,尤其是6月30号之后,分红产品的预期收益会下降。建议大家抓住这个窗口,了解一下自己可以如何配置资产。那原价68元的咨询服务,纵横散的听众,只要一分钱就可以预约预约方式建修 note跟本期的评论区。好,那那我们来读这本书。那顺便说一下哈,关于本书呢,我们会起一个共读群一起。来读五次重置这本书,并且在群里面讨论我们在生活中遇到了哪些压力,自己在什么样的状态。通过本期讲的哪些方式能够调整我们的压力状态。那欢迎大家来加入我们的共读哟。共读方式我放在评论区跟s note了。好,那我们来读这本书,我们会分为两个部分。第一个部分呢带大家彻底的认识一下压力。理清关于压力的诸多迷思。第二个部分呢会提供5次大脑重置的方法,一共15个非常实操的压力管理。小技巧大多数都能够马上用起来,并且快速起效的。好,那在认识压力之前,我们先来听听作者的故事。作者艾迪提内卢卡是哈佛大学的医学博士,美国知名的压力管理专家。他和压力结下不解之缘呢,是在写本书的20年前,那个时候他还是非常年轻的实习医生,有一天,他在日常查房的时候,走到重症监护室的门口的时候,他突然就觉得很不对,全身发抖,汗如雨下。心中似乎好像有1万匹受精的野马奔过,喘不过气来。这个时候护士就注意到了他的异常,赶紧扶他坐下,给他拿来了橙汁,喝完了橙汁坐了一会儿,呢他就好了。所以他跟护士就对子一笑之志,觉得说哦,那肯定是太忙了嘛?你这样实习医生,对吧?就是每天奔来奔去,忘记吃饭了,低血糖很正常啊,就把这件事情抛猪脑后。但是呢那天晚上回家的时候,他心悸发作了,心中又有1万匹野马奔过。而且足足持续半个小时,怎么也停不下来。接下来的好几周都是如此。白天好好的哈,只要他躺下来睡觉,他就会心急,就野马又从他的心中奔过。那他就吓一跳呀,赶紧跑去检查身体,对吧?各种检查都做了验血呀、甲状腺呀、血压、心率啊、心电图啊、心脏超声啊等等等等,全部正常但是他的医生就跟他说,说,是不是因为你最近压力太大了呀。大家都是同行嘛,就很了解他的情况,说实习是很忙碌的,我也曾经是实习医生,我懂的这个都不是诊断了,只不过是作为同行对他的一个友好的提醒,对吧?就是安慰他说没关系,现在身体是没问题,你要不然看看压力呢。那确实作为实习医生,作者在年轻的时候是每周至少工作80个小时的,而且确实生活是很不健康的。但他说他除了在病房之间奔走,从来不运动,吃饭呢都是趁有几分钟时间就赶紧去食堂搞点简单的东西。比如说冷的三明治,喝一大杯的咖啡,而且是在餐厅站着吃,一边吃,一边要在手机上看,在病历上做笔记,睡眠也很不健康啊,睡得很少,而且还要值班。但是正是因为他。他从来都是这样过来的啊,弟弟就很难接受,说我怎么可能会有压力呢?我之前两年实习医生也是这么忙,但不是好好的吗?而且作为学医的人对吧?从小接受的是精英教育。我追求的本来就是一份极其忙碌挑战身体的这种高压的工作。在医生这个领域能扛高压,几乎就是一个精英医生,几乎就是你的前途的一个入场券。翘文专这如果你连抗压能力都不行的话,你怎么可能追求。医生这种职业呢,他就觉得我多有韧性啊,我怎么可能我一定能够扛过来,这就是他称为毒性复原力的一个社会文化。觉得自己身上感受到的压力,压力很大,这是一种能力不足,毅力不足的插劲的表现。顺便一说by the wayID题是在印度出身的这是个印度姑娘,那大家都懂的哈。咱们东亚教育下长大的小孩多多少少对于这种打压教育,对于这种就是你一定要硬撑,对吧?你一定要撑住我们。就是这点压力算什么?对于那种教育一定是非常熟悉的吧,就他是后来才移民去的美国哈,但是没有办法,就算你心中再怎么抗拒,因为这个心机的问题不解决嘛,所以死马当活马医就是我就当他是一种压力问题,咱也得试试。所以呢作者就去开始尝试各种舒缓压力的方法,比如说休息日去看电影啊,增加跟朋友家人的聚会啊,逛街呀,甚至去做spa,但是毫无用处,就是每天晚上睡觉的时候还。还是会心悸,野马还是会在心中呼啸而过。直到有一天,机缘巧合的,他下班的时候会路过一个瑜伽工作室,突然之间心血来潮,说,嗯,要不然试试瑜伽呢,然后那就走了进去,上了人生的第一堂瑜伽课。在这堂课上,他学习到了一些呼吸技巧。那天晚上就是他这一段时间以来睡得最香甜的一次,那心悸还是会发作,但是不那么频繁了,而且持续的时间也。不那么长了,于是就持续的把这个呼吸训练的技巧融入到他的日常生活中。后面我们会介绍这个呼吸技巧的哈,逐渐的呢他就开始去调整自己的生活习惯,让自己变得更加的健康。比如说下班的时候就改成走路,白天呢减少咖啡因的摄入,改善睡眠啊,他之前做了很多放松的尝试,对吧?跟朋友聊天,去逛街,做spa,看电影等等,理论上来说,都应该是能按照放松的方式,但是都。没有用,是因为他根本就没有对自己的这个不健康的生活做出任何的调整,对吧?而且你做这些放松的双引号任务都是额外的压力。当他对自己的生活进行调整的时候,接下来的三个月中,心际居然一点点的消失了。有一天这群野马走了,再也就没有回来过。你看他自己是经历了三个阶段的嘛,首先第一个阶段就是难以置信,自己会双引号被压力打倒。哎,认为有压力就是我自己抗。压能力的问题是我不对,就开始陷入自责,自我怀疑。第二个阶段是那你自责也没有用,自我怀疑也没有用,反正压力已经给你这么大的反应了,对吧?你总得去解决。所以第二个阶段呢,他非常无奈的就开始去尝试各种所谓的解压方法,但是还是没用,一直到了第三个阶段,机缘巧合,他开始调整呼吸,调整自己的健康,调整自己的作息,调整自己生活习惯。这个时候他最终发现哎起作用了。原来这才是。对抗压力的波尔法门,你看作者可不是普通人哦,他是一位每天跟各种疾病、各种身体症状打交道的人,他理应是最懂人体生理机制的人。但是当他自己的身体,因为压力发出求救信号的时候,他的第一反应居然是忽视哦低血糖了。就他对于压力如此忽视,如此缺乏认知,走了这么多的弯路,最后才成功的解决了压力,连一个医生都如此。😊你更何况是其他人了,所以作者就对压力管理这件事情产生了浓厚的兴趣,他就进入了这个领域,进行了深入的研究,逐渐就是这么多年发展成了这个领域的专家。那他在研究的过程中就发现其实压力真的太普遍了,远比我们想象的普遍的很多,他发现就病患这一群人中就有60%到80%都有压力的问题。要么他的症状本身就是压力引起的,就好像他当初的心。经济就是压力引起的一样,要么就是压力恶化了这个症状,就已经有很多的研究发现,压力会加重几乎每一种疾病,从普通感冒到更严重的疾病。比如说糖尿病跟心脏病。当然还有你看焦虑、抑郁、失眠、慢性疼痛、肠胃问题、关节炎、偏头痛、哮喘、过敏等等等等,几乎每一种疾病都会因为压力而恶化。早在2。2001年,世界卫生组织就已经预测过说,每4个人中就会有一个人在其一生的某个阶段罹患压力相关的疾病。比如说焦虑抑郁跟失眠都是非常非常常见的,跟压力相关的疾病,可是只有3%的医生会给出压力管理方面的建议。你看他之前的医生给他的建议,其实也不是建议了。给他的提醒,也是因为是同行嘛,就是感同身受,提醒他实习医生很忙,也不是。😊作为一个医生,给出了压力管理方面的医疗建议,医疗诊断,对吧?这些年来,由于压力问题越来越严重,那医疗界已经开始认识到压力跟倦怠是现代社会最严重的两个问题就是之二那2019年的5月,其实世卫组织。就是WHO就已经正式宣布将职业倦怠burnout纳入国际疾病分类的第11版,也就是成为一种临床综合诊了。对职。卷大的定义是长期未被成功管理的工作压力所导致的一种综合症。它有三个维度,大家自己可以对比一下啊,第一是精力浩劫,这是非常的疲惫。今天好像也没有做什么,特别让我很累的事情,但是上班这件事情就是让自己觉得特别特别的疲惫。就算不是上班,比如说学习也会出现职业倦怠啊,比如说在生活中你其实也会出现职业倦怠,很多人觉得哇这么疲惫,就提不起劲儿来,是不是抑郁了呀啊,有可。能确实是抑郁了。但是其实它是一个压力,长期没有被管理的一个不是 no。那第二个维度呢就是对工作产生疏离。就是你已经开始愤世嫉俗,开始产生消极感,开...(已截断)
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
(1)
SpaceX's $2T Case, Nvidia's Shock Selloff, America Turns on AI, Trump Pulls AI Order, Bond Crisis?
1h 42m
2026/05/23
📝 AI
总结
Alright, everybody, Welcome back to the number one podcast in the world. It's the all in podcast. episode 2,74 Ss is out today, but we're very lucky to have Gavin Baker from areies management joining us. The spicy takes must flow. Welcome back to the program. Beststy Gavin. Thanks for having me. Always love it. It's been a huge week in tech. We can start with the SpaceX and Open I IPs. We've got Andre Kpathy joining Anthropic and video crushing.So many different places to go. But I think we'll start with Andre Carpathy joining Anthropic. Carpathfi is only 39 years old. He's already a legend in the tech industry. If you don't know him. I believe he's also coming to liquidity. Yeah,ma, He's gonna keynote on Monday morning. Oh, fantastic. to know Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday, day2. I think he's keynot, okay.As is Gavin, Gavin will be there, founding member, Gavin Aning day2 as excellent. Yeah, this is Gavin's second appearance., look at those two bookmarks. Andre Carpathy and Gavin Baker. liquidityd pulls in the stars.Obviously, Andre was a founding member of Open AI. He LED the selfdriv team. Also, hold on Gavin is gonna to help us judge the best ideas section as well. excellent. I don't know if you know that, Gavin, but you're a judge, you're judge. I love for anything, man. I'm easy. Yes, Kpathy also coin the term vibe coding. He recently built auto research. I think we talked about that here a bit. That's an open source training tool helps AI models improve themselves by running five minute experiments. That got over 82000 stars in Github. He did that like as a weekend.😊And all these civilians started building their own recursive LLMs, really inspiring.And the entre Carpathy skills is a tool based on his set of principles for Cla code. And somebody just released that. And so that's just pretty crazy when you think about it. He's going to be in charge of a new pre training team at enthropic. The focus, obviously, being recursive self improvement, in other words.They're going to have Claude improve itself and they've already talked a little bit about AI improving AI over at Anthropagema what's your take on this is this super important in 2026, obviously Carpathhi is super well respected he's obviously you know one of the true talents in the space, but hey're we're in a different inning than we were say 10 years ago when he was at Tesla or five years ago when he cofounded open AI you know what's interesting if you go back to like Google the culture of Google,Which they got right was the singular technical talents there.They were singled out, and they were called Google Fs. I don't know if you guys remember this. Like come'm it single.Shriar Rammaswami, Jeff Dean.These guys are stars. And what's interesting is if you track what folks, particularly Jeff Dean, I guess now, because the other two aren't there anymore, but.What they did inside of Google, It's like wave upon wave. They were at the foot of those waves. Well, it's interesting about Andres. He's been at the wave upon wave of A. He was probably the first person that really commercialized the Richard Sutton bitter lesson essay.When he was leading FSD at Tesla, which was really about the brute For computation. And I remember him telling me this story. I don't know if he said this publicly or not, but where he spent a portion of his time, I want to say a quarter of his time labeling data. Could you imagine like 201617, like hand labeling video data from Tesla's.So he did that. then heve co foundunder of open AI. He's a star, and he's an exceptional human being. And he's super curious and.Then what he's done as a kind of a free agent is also quite impressive. So I think that this is a really important deal. I think he's one of these really curious people that can be sent off, and they'll just go and.Invent new things. And I think this idea of recursive self learning puts these models on.A combination of overdrive and autopilot. And so if you put those two things together, I think that you start to.You can potentially live out this idea that there is an order of magnitude improvement on a yearly basis. So like this new form of Moore's law.So that the model quality just goes absolutely parabolically just like this straight up. I think a bunch of compute at the problem and these things learn really quick.I think is the high order bit there, Gavin, what are you, What's your take on Anthropics recent success and their massive hiring binge. The success is extraordinary. It's undeniable. I think the fact that they are now, they were a bit positive per the Wall Street Journal in the most recent quarter.Is a really important fact for kind of the whole AI narrative.Because now, there's.You know, you could talk about circular funding, you could talk about ROI and we could go look at the ROIC of the hyperscalers.But if open AI and Anthropic are at call it $100 billion of A now with.80% gross margins on inference, like the returns are there. And then if we add in and they'...(已截断)
The Joe Rogan Experience
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#2504 - Skylar Grey
2h 4m
2026/05/23
📝 AI
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🎼The Joe Rogan experience during my day, Joe Rogan podcast by night day.😊Chris, what's happening.P an album. This is the power of music. I told my wife that you were coming on, and she said.I don't want to get them.She said, if I die.On my funeral, I want her song. I'm coming home. really. Yeah, I was like fool.I was like, that's a heavy thought. And then I listened to it in the gym. and I was like, God, damn. I listened to the version where you were on the piano. It was like a solo concert.And I was like, god.As a job.It's such a great song, but it's such such a crazy thought. Yeah, that someone would want. Wow, a very specific song.M.Everyav way to start the podcast. I know, but.But that's, you know, that's the emotion of real music., you know, like you sent me a text message about AI, you know, because you sent me one of your songs and you're like, AI is never gonna recreate this.I said something like, I don't think it's capable of writing stuff with this much emotion. Yeah, what's not real, You know, Yeah, it sounds cool. That's what AI does. They There's cool songs that come from AI.But there's always going to be. And I completely agree with you. There's always going to be a thing.We know a person wrote it.That they SAT down and they wrote it, and there's this connection with their, their spirit and their creativity that comes out. And that's what people love about music other than stuff that sound. I like, I like AI music because it sounds cool. But I know what it is. I know it's just a robot.😊I mean, I think it's, you know.Sometimes it's good for certain things. But the type of music that I make personally.It's like very therapeutic for me to write.I always am writing from like a true emotion, so.嗯。Yeah, itい.It all has its place. though I think AI is an interesting. It's just like another tool. I feel like that you know, when auto tune first came out, people were bitching about that.And even like my first albums, I recorded with my mom when I was a little kid, we did it on 2" tape. You know, so there's no computer involved. So then computers got introduced and people are vi about that. Like, this isn't real music. Yeah You know, it's just like all these technological advances.To me, I see them as just tools that creatives can use to get their vision across. What was what was Peter Frampton using back in the day, It was like a tube or something, right, I have no idea that Do you remember like.You, you, you know what that stuff is, Jamie, right box.It's like a tube you put in your mouth or something. Yeah, so it's like a straw. And like the microphone picks up the sound. So the sound would go through the tube into your mouth. and then the microphone picks that up and you're using your mouth because I remember people are hating that. Like way back in the day. People were hating that. Like, that's not his real voice. Like, what is he doing. I put it through that thing.You know, I don't know.But there's always, I mean, look, there's always going to be tools that people use to enhance creativity. But right, the thing that's weird now is that they're making entire song. they can make I know it's total Skylar grade category. And they sound pretty good. They sound really good. You know, that's what's crazy. It's your voice. It's And it's only going to get better. You know, because it's so new, yeah.😊So does this entire podcast with me that I never did. Britley, Yeah, there's a whole conversation with me and Steve Jobs. I never met Steve Jobs.just means Steve Jobs talking about stuff. Is it the visual, too. No, it's not the visual. This one's just an audio one, but eventually, I'm sure there'll be a visual one. there's definitely ones of me talking to people I've never talked to because like people pretend they they've been on the show. You I for fun. conversation with me. It's very.Very strange. You know, very strange. Yeah, we're living in a weird, blurry time. Yeah, like the lines between real and not real or are getting very blurry. Like it's an introduction to the matrix. Like we're getting like the first whispers of the fog of the matrix as it envelos us. Yeah,'re getting just these little clouds. like, oh, this is weird. Then eventually just gonna be we're gonna just be in the full cloud of the matrix. But I see people questioning everything now. They're like.Is this real, Everybody sussy about everything now, You should. Yeah, I mean, there's people like prominent news people whove reposted stories with videos in it that were like straight out of a video game. Yeah, it's very, very weird time. We're in very,, but I think it's also exciting.Oh, it's definitely exciting. You know, it's fun. Yeah, Well, it's weird. Anytime things are weird. Anything things are like, like, yeah, but that I think it makes you really appreciate actual things, like real physical things. Yeah, real real connection with people, real art. You know, I think that's what's gonna happen a lot with AI, like people's actual artwork, l...(已截断)